I think most people will want to keep their heads down if they've moved on out of PS why would you want to highlight themselves. I'd be interested in hearing from people who stayed in and how it affected them but again why would you stick your head up. This is the problem with all of this worried people don't talk specifics
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Originally posted by poorautojobber View PostI think most people will want to keep their heads down if they've moved on out of PS why would you want to highlight themselves. I'd be interested in hearing from people who stayed in and how it affected them but again why would you stick your head up. This is the problem with all of this worried people don't talk specifics
Without specifics it is easy to dismiss something as hearsay, or to say "this isn't what we are seeing", or "there is no significant impact". With specific examples of what is happening, then that becomes a lot harder to say. MPs love being able to say "I had a letter from my constituent, Miss X, who has faced this" and put HMG on the spot, which is why it's important for people to speak up.
I know it's difficult, and you worry that you are highlighting yourself - I've been there and I've done it, so I know the fears that people have. But sometimes, you have to think of the greater good that getting the truth out there might do to help the millions of others who are affected in the same way that you are.Comment
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Originally posted by poorautojobber View PostI think most people will want to keep their heads down if they've moved on out of PS why would you want to highlight themselves. I'd be interested in hearing from people who stayed in and how it affected them but again why would you stick your head up. This is the problem with all of this worried people don't talk specificsBlog? What blog...?Comment
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What I think I was getting at was HMRC have been known for being vindictive and putting the spotlight on yourself when you haven't been directly affected is a big ask.
I'm interested to hear real stories by people affected but as most who would have been hit have probably escaped into the private world again why would you put the light on yourself.
It the expected changes come in in November I would expect to hear a lot more people getting vocal. Not many people can afford a 25% hit something has to give.Comment
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Originally posted by poorautojobber View PostWhat I think I was getting at was HMRC have been known for being vindictive and putting the spotlight on yourself when you haven't been directly affected is a big ask.
I'm interested to hear real stories by people affected but as most who would have been hit have probably escaped into the private world again why would you put the light on yourself.
It the expected changes come in in November I would expect to hear a lot more people getting vocal. Not many people can afford a 25% hit something has to give.
However I remain sceptical that it will be as simple as applying IR35 in the same way as they've done with the PS. For one thing, industry won't take kindly to accepting a huge amount of extra risk, the chances of their bottom line costs going up significantly and doing more unpaid work on behalf of HMRC. Secondly, political funds for the Tories almost all come from private businesses; why seriously piss off your main sponsors? (Labour, otoh, are more than happy to screw the private sector, given their paymasters are against self employment of any kind).
We also have to start hitting this myth about "unpaid" taxes. Most of us pay all the taxes that are due to be paid when they are due: comparing that amount to one based on a non-existent situation and then claiming that taxes are missing is totally unacceptable to anyone with half a brain (i.e. not most politicians...). That tax is missing because we don't f***ing owe it!
Blog? What blog...?Comment
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Originally posted by malvolio View PostFair enough - but if we don't shout now, the chances of bad things in November are greatly increased.
However I remain sceptical that it will be as simple as applying IR35 in the same way as they've done with the PS. For one thing, industry won't take kindly to accepting a huge amount of extra risk, the chances of their bottom line costs going up significantly and doing more unpaid work on behalf of HMRC. Secondly, political funds for the Tories almost all come from private businesses; why seriously piss off your main sponsors? (Labour, otoh, are more than happy to screw the private sector, given their paymasters are against self employment of any kind).
We also have to start hitting this myth about "unpaid" taxes. Most of us pay all the taxes that are due to be paid when they are due: comparing that amount to one based on a non-existent situation and then claiming that taxes are missing is totally unacceptable to anyone with half a brain (i.e. not most politicians...). That tax is missing because we don't f***ing owe it!
On the other thread in the public sector forum contacting UK have checked out the jurno who seems to check out. Probably a friend of Chris EvansComment
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Computer Weekly: IR35 reforms: Why the war of words between HMRC and IT contractors needs addressing
What the minutes do state is that, “HMRC has seen no evidence of significant impact on attrition rates of contractors,” as a result of the IR35 reforms, but who’s to say that is true of everybody else?
With this in mind, HMRC has now offered to update the minutes from the meeting with additional feedback from those who attended, after contributors complained they were published without their approval. It, of course, remains to be seen if the amended version will feature a wider range of viewpoints and perspectives on how IR35 is affecting the public sector, but – if not – it is fair to assume we’ll see more organisations calling HMRC out on it, if they don’t.Comment
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Originally posted by TheFaQQer View PostComputer Weekly: IR35 reforms: Why the war of words between HMRC and IT contractors needs addressing
What the minutes do state is that, “HMRC has seen no evidence of significant impact on attrition rates of contractors,” as a result of the IR35 reforms, but who’s to say that is true of everybody else?merely at clientco for the entertainmentComment
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Originally posted by eek View PostMy question would be which part of HMRC does that comment relate to and was it HMRC as a whole or just those in the meeting..... Equally did they use HMRC or the word we within the meeting.....Blog? What blog...?Comment
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Originally posted by malvolio View PostThe Hectors in the room were senior people from both strategic and operational wings of the organisation, so we must assume they speak for the whole of HMRC
But you know what people say about assumptions - on things like this we really shouldn't be making assumptions and should be pressing the point until we get an explicit confirmation...Last edited by eek; 10 October 2017, 10:04.merely at clientco for the entertainmentComment
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