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Direct with a Startup: SDC

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    Direct with a Startup: SDC

    Had an interview with a start-up, which was to be a direct contract (through a friend). Didn't have too much info before I arrived, but was told they had a new project / module that they needed developing for their core platform. It was work at home, decent rate, using own gear, cloud-based source control - brilliant, I thought!

    Naturally, with them being a startup with limited staff and funds, they want someone who's as flexible as possible. I have learned not to be *quite* as flexible as I was when I was a permie (i.e. I generally don't let clients move me between projects, and make sure everything is stipulated in the contract itself), and to ask the right questions at interview stage. I make sure my contracts and working practices align with SDC / MOO (in spite of the constant battle against the grain and the chagrin of most of my clients).

    During the interview, client said they needed this new module writing, but after getting some clarification, they mentioned "employing" me (despite also mentioning IR35 to me, and stating that their contract was IR35 friendly), and that I would work in exactly the same way as all their existing staff. They also said that they needed the flexibility to move me between modules / projects on a whim (based on their own client's requirements changing rapidly), and that my tasks would be allocated to me using agile / sprint / kanban - but I would not be making decisions or doing any architectural design - merely picking a card up and writing code. This raised some red flags, mainly because I always tend to be the technical lead on full life-cycle projects, and am usually the one making technical decisions and creating / allocating tasks to other devs on the team.

    Anyway, I mentioned that I would want the projects I'd be working on specified in the contract, whilst trying my hardest to explain SDC without going into too much detail. Suffice to say that they didn't seem very keen on the idea (as they wanted total flexibility of what work I did). Interview ended pretty abruptly after that, with some frustrated looks on the client's faces. One of the interviewers even said he was a contractor for 15 years and never once came across SDC, and thought I was ill advised.

    Suppose this is primarily cathartic, but keen on hearing what others think of this situation? Dodged a bullet, or have I just come across as awkward?
    Last edited by Spikeh; 30 March 2017, 14:52.

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    Awkward. Your tax situation is of little concern to your client.
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      #3
      Originally posted by Lance View Post
      Awkward. Your tax situation is of little concern to your client.
      Of course, and that's the issue

      I expect it will be when these public sector changes come into the private sector. Can you imagine clients / small startups using that ESS tool? :/

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        #4
        Originally posted by Spikeh View Post
        Of course, and that's the issue

        I expect it will be when these public sector changes come into the private sector. Can you imagine clients / small startups using that ESS tool? :/
        That's pretty speculative. I'm not convinced it will. And don't forget the 'reasonable care' part. Only in public sector do people just care so little that they'll make rash blanket decisions as it's not their problem.
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          #5
          Originally posted by Spikeh View Post
          Of course, and that's the issue

          I expect it will be when these public sector changes come into the private sector. Can you imagine clients / small startups using that ESS tool? :/
          Yes. They'll be keener to declare people outside because they will have to pay more for their contractors otherwise.
          The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't exist

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            #6
            Sounds like they want a temp not a contractor. Not uncommon with startups. We've had similar stories.

            On a side note there is also a number of threads about people not getting paid or being offered worthless shares as well so could quite have dodged it here.
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              #7
              Originally posted by northernladuk View Post
              Sounds like they want a temp not a contractor. Not uncommon with startups. We've had similar stories.

              On a side note there is also a number of threads about people not getting paid or being offered worthless shares as well so could quite have dodged it here.
              Yeah, that's what I thought, though lots of dev contractors I know are basically glorified temps.

              Another mate has contracted there before and he said they were good payers, though I don't think he's quite as "demanding" as I am (I usually work on 7 day invoices with 7 day pay cycles). didn't even get to that point though, hah!

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                #8
                Originally posted by LondonManc View Post
                Yes. They'll be keener to declare people outside because they will have to pay more for their contractors otherwise.
                I dearly hope so!

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Spikeh View Post
                  Yeah, that's what I thought, though lots of dev contractors I know are basically glorified temps.

                  Another mate has contracted there before and he said they were good payers, though I don't think he's quite as "demanding" as I am (I usually work on 7 day invoices with 7 day pay cycles). didn't even get to that point though, hah!
                  I don't see how, as a developer, you can do true agile and not be inside IR35.
                  What is paired programming if it's not SDC at a micro level?
                  The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't exist

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                    Originally posted by LondonManc View Post
                    I don't see how, as a developer, you can do true agile and not be inside IR35.
                    What is paired programming if it's not SDC at a micro level?
                    I agree. As much as I like AGILE and sprints, I still try to avoid them at all costs because of this. It's total madness, and causes no end of woes - I don't like being awkward with clients, but how can I be anything but? :|

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