Scottish Referendum Part 2 - Electric Boogaloo

[MrMarkyMark]

Alas, you forget that there is NOT majority support in Scotland for independence from the UK. And support for SNP is waning too which is why Sturgeon is desperate.

You make an absolutely false assumption that 60% of Scotland who voted to remain in the EU would automatically vote to leave the UK in order to remain in the EU. But this simply isn't the case. Plenty would prefer to remain in both, but would choose the UK first, not the EU. And there were plenty who voted to leave the UK last time around in order to get out of the EU.

And answer me this. Lets say Scotland overall voted for independence, but several council areas voted to remain in the UK. Should they get to remain in the UK?

Bloody hell.

Don't confuse him even further

[shaunbhoy]

Until the simple cast of society demonstrate an understanding of democracy they should abstain from, well just breathing in and out would be a start.

I think that most people in a democracy understand the concept of one man/woman, one vote.

Most also understand that what the majority choose should be adhered to.

There are only a small group of sulking whining losers that demand their wishes be followed, even when in the minority.
That is where YOU fit in scooter.

[chopper]

As Scotland takes back control...
2) EU single market (500m) / UK single market (60m)

Scotland is already in the EU, and yet the UK is its biggest market. Leaving the UK would shrink its market, it wouldn't suddenly find new buyers for its stuff in the EU.

3) Taking back control from EU / Scotland taking back control from an unelected Tory English PM.

More people voted for May than voted for Sturgeon in their respective constituencies.
Were you shouting out against Sturgeon during her 18 months unelected term?

I can't wait to see who the Tories put up to argue for the union
and contradict their positions in the EU referendum.

Ruth Davidson, a Tory, who is more popular in Scotland right now than Sturgeon.

Scotland splitting from the UK is not really comparable to the UK splitting from the EU. The UK doesn't share a currency, a landmass or hundreds of years of sovereign Union with the EU.

[northernladyuk]

How did that trap work out for Catalonia? Or are they still a part of Spain?

The game is not played out yet. A good way to build support for a referendum and independence is for the London Tories to say a referendum is not allowed.

[shaunbhoy]

The game is not played out yet.

Oh I see.......

A good way to build support for a referendum and independence is for the London Tories to say a referendum is not allowed.

I couldn't agree more. And that is exactly why London Tories won't say that, or anything like that.

HTH

[TestMangler]

Alas, you forget that there is NOT majority support in Scotland for independence from the UK. And support for SNP is waning too which is why Sturgeon is desperate.

You make an absolutely false assumption that 60% of Scotland who voted to remain in the EU would automatically vote to leave the UK in order to remain in the EU. But this simply isn't the case. Plenty would prefer to remain in both, but would choose the UK first, not the EU. And there were plenty who voted to leave the UK last time around in order to get out of the EU.

And answer me this. Lets say Scotland overall voted for independence, but several council areas voted to remain in the UK. Should they get to remain in the UK?

Based on what exactly ? If there wasn't a pro indy majority in the Scottish parliament, today wouldn't have happened, you f**king retard.

[chopper]

Based on what exactly ? If there wasn't a pro indy majority in the Scottish parliament, today wouldn't have happened, you f**king retard.

A bit strong, don't you think?

69 (out of 128) MSPs (54%) supported an independence referendum. However, there are more people in Scotland than just 128 MSPs. Support for independence amongst Scottish people, which is the more relevant figure, is below 50%. (Polling, which you cannot discount simply because it disagrees with your view).

The 69 is made up of the 63 SNP MSPs and 6 Green MSPs. Sturgeon asked the Scottish parliament because she knew she had the Green Party support.

It doesn't mean there is more than 50% support amongst the population.

[TestMangler]

A bit strong, don't you think?

69 (out of 128) MSPs (54%) supported an independence referendum. However, there are more people in Scotland than just 128 MSPs. Support for independence amongst Scottish people, which is the more relevant figure, is below 50%. (Polling, which you cannot discount simply because it disagrees with your view).

The 69 is made up of the 63 SNP MSPs and 6 Green MSPs. Sturgeon asked the Scottish parliament because she knew she had the Green Party support.

It doesn't mean there is more than 50% support amongst the population.

I never said there was enough support among the population to deliver a Yes vote in a referendum. Polling a couple of thousand people is not a basis for asserting something though. Look at the last GE, Brexit and Trump for proof of that. And I know exactly what the make up of the Scottish Parliament is.

The fact remains, whether you think indyref2/Scottish independence is the best or worst idea in the world, matters not one bit. The Scottish parliament has a pro indy majority. The SNP have more of a mandate in Scotland than the tories have in the UK. Questioning their right to call referenda ad nauseum as long as they have majority support in Parliament is just dumb. If pro union parties in Scotland were achieving the support they seem to claim to have, we wouldn't be where we are now.

[northernladyuk]

I never said there was enough support among the population to deliver a Yes vote in a referendum. Polling a couple of thousand people is not a basis for asserting something though. Look at the last GE, Brexit and Trump for proof of that. And I know exactly what the make up of the Scottish Parliament is.

The fact remains, whether you think indyref2/Scottish independence is the best or worst idea in the world, matters not one bit. The Scottish parliament has a pro indy majority. The SNP have more of a mandate in Scotland than the tories have in the UK. Questioning their right to call referenda ad nauseum as long as they have majority support in Parliament is just dumb. If pro union parties in Scotland were achieving the support they seem to claim to have, we wouldn't be where we are now.

I agree. I think independence would be crazy but the case for a referendum is hard to dispute.

[Batcher]

Embarrassing treatment afforded to our Prime Minister today.


Press conference outside Govan police station and a photo op in a bog standard hotel.

The visit to DfID in East Kilbride - where you can hear on Facebook Live the civil servants being told to applaud when May enters and see the look of disgust on their faces - and the visit to the Police Station in Govan - the place any suspected terrorists are taken as it's the most secure in Scotland - were both arranged by the UK government.

The Scottish Government offered to meet May in Scottish Government premises close by the Plaza Hotel as they were more secure following the Westminster attack but May refused and picked the small hotel room instead.