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    Quote Originally Posted by scooterscot View Post
    Levers voted the way the did to give the established a kick in the teeth. You don't even need an education to understand that.
    I don't remember that crossing my mind nor all the others I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Equalizer View Post
    It's a combination of things. What I was highlighting is those in poorer areas are more likely to be directly affected by immigration and factors associated with the large increase in population of which EU's open borders contributed. And given you voted remain, how do you know what made people vote leave? Moreover, it's little changes that can have a big effect. Romanian begging gangs - of which there were none ten years ago - are now an obvious problem where I am.
    One thing that won't change is that criminals don't respect treaties, Romanian begging gangs don't need visas they'll still be there after Britain has left the EU. The fact that Russia or Ukraine isn't in the EU doesn't stop them pinching cars in Germany.
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    Views of people like Guy Verhofstadt, as expressed here on last Wednesday's BBC HARDtalk:

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    ,were more of a reason. Federal Europe - no thanks. Mr. Verhofstadt's best quote - from memory:

    "I race a 1950s right-hand-driver Aston Martin. What can be more British than that?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlasterBates View Post
    One thing that won't change is that criminals don't respect treaties, Romanian begging gangs don't need visas they'll still be there after Britain has left the EU. The fact that Russia or Ukraine isn't in the EU doesn't stop them pinching cars in Germany.
    We'll that's alright then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sasguru View Post
    Bollux.
    A 40 year old bloke who has never travelled, worked in a dull brain-dead job in his local town all his life and never read a book is not likely to have more worthwhile experience than many 25 year olds who have done more.
    He is, however, more likely to have seen the effects of uncontrolled migration especially in keeping his wages low.
    But I discovered nothing else but depraved, excessive superstition. Pliny the younger

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlasterBates View Post
    One thing that won't change is that criminals don't respect treaties, Romanian begging gangs don't need visas they'll still be there after Britain has left the EU. The fact that Russia or Ukraine isn't in the EU doesn't stop them pinching cars in Germany.
    However when found they can't be deported.

    Romania and Bulgaria EU migration restrictions lifted - BBC News

    All the objections seem to be its not possible to stop people crossing Europe. However it is possible to stop them coming into the UK and deport the ones we don't want.

    Maybe some of these should be deported?

    https://crimestoppers-uk.org/most-wanted/

    The reason we have the most asylum seekers is that we don't pick them up and train them back to the country that they last past through as other European countries did and we are rubbish at deporting them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Equalizer View Post
    We'll that's alright then.
    well the point is the UK government is perfectly entitled to deport these Romanians if they so wish under current EU law. Criminals don't have a right to live in your country.

    So voting to leave the EU because of EU criminals was pointless. Which comes back to the point of people voting based on misinformation.

    If you want to get rid of begging gangs you need better policing. By leaving the EU, makes the UK poorer and hence the Police will have their budget cut and you'll get even more begging gangs as the UK becomes a soft touch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlasterBates View Post
    well the point is the UK government is perfectly entitled to deport these Romanians if they so wish under current EU law. Criminals don't have a right to live in your country.

    So voting to leave the EU because of EU criminals was pointless. Which comes back to the point of people voting based on misinformation.

    If you want to get rid of begging gangs you need better policing. By leaving the EU, makes the UK poorer and hence the Police will have their budget cut and you'll get even more begging gangs as the UK becomes a soft touch.
    Oh Dear the Telegraph & the Government disagree with you

    EU rules stopped Britain deporting murderers, rapists and violent criminals

    Murderers, rapists and violent offenders from across Europe have been able to remain in Britain after their crimes, the Justice Minister will say on Tuesday as he reveals a dossier of 50 offenders who have used EU rules to avoid deportation.

    Dominic Raab, who works closely with Michael Gove in the Justice department, said that British families are “at risk” because European courts are refusing to allow UK judges to deport dangerous and violent criminals back to EU countries.
    Obviously they are lying...
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    Quote Originally Posted by vetran View Post
    Oh Dear the Telegraph & the Government disagree with you

    EU rules stopped Britain deporting murderers, rapists and violent criminals



    Obviously they are lying...
    Yes looks like it:

    Government to deport EU criminals before Brexit using the existing rules
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Equalizer View Post
    It's a combination of things. What I was highlighting is those in poorer areas are more likely to be directly affected by immigration and factors associated with the large increase in population of which EU's open borders contributed. And given you voted remain, how do you know what made people vote leave? Moreover, it's little changes that can have a big effect. Romanian begging gangs - of which there were none ten years ago - are now an obvious problem where I am.
    The thing it's called is globalisation.

    What some of those who voted leave don't seem to realise whether we are in or out we will be subjected to greater amounts of immigration and large companies moving production and capital due to globalisation. So if a company e.g. Nestle decides they can't make money in the UK they will close down their UK factory and move production to another cheaper country.
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