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    #11
    I’d say that biggest whoosh moment is that if a hirer expects you to devote all of your efforts to their business and act in all respects as an employee, pay employment taxes and negate their exposure, then contractors need to negotiate higher rates, that’s what self employed people do, whether HMRC agrees that they’re self employed or not.


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      #12
      Originally posted by cwcsolutions View Post
      I’d say that biggest whoosh moment is that if a hirer expects you to devote all of your efforts to their business and act in all respects as an employee, pay employment taxes and negate their exposure, then contractors need to negotiate higher rates, that’s what self employed people do, whether HMRC agrees that they’re self employed or not.


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      Well it's a nice thought. Snag is, your top rate is driven by the least informed of your peers and the market rate is driven by people working for fourpence an hour. Unless you have something quite specific, rate negotiations are out of your control.
      Blog? What blog...?

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        #13
        Employer National Insurance IR35

        Originally posted by PurpleGorilla View Post
        The greatest unfairness with I35 is that you pay Employer NI as well as Employee NI and Income Tax.

        So you actually pay more tax than an employee. But have minimal employment benefits.

        Further reform is needed.


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          #14
          Originally posted by MDB2610 View Post
          But unlike a normal employee you’re earning 300/400+ per day whereas they’re earning that in a week.

          I’m sure you’ll cope
          I see you’ve spent you first eight posts whining about contractors. Depressed permie in a dead-end job?

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            #15
            Originally posted by jamesbrown View Post
            I see you’ve spent you first eight posts whining about contractors. Depressed permie in a dead-end job?
            Daily Mail peddler of nonsense? (they don't deserve to be called journalists)

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              #16
              Employer National Insurance IR35

              Originally posted by jamesbrown View Post
              I see you’ve spent you first eight posts whining about contractors. Depressed permie in a dead-end job?
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              Last edited by MDB2610; 2 February 2020, 16:26.

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                #17
                Originally posted by MDB2610 View Post
                No, spent years around “contractors” who are now bitching about being caught out and having to join the real world
                And you weren't good enough to be a contractor?

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by BrilloPad View Post
                  And you weren't good enough to be a contractor?
                  In all seriousness - if I was perm getting a poor salary like £300-400 per week as contractors around me earned sensible money, I'd probably have a large chip on my shoulder too.

                  Ouch.

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                    #19
                    Employer National Insurance IR35

                    Originally posted by BrilloPad View Post
                    And you weren't good enough to be a contractor?
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                    Last edited by MDB2610; 2 February 2020, 16:25.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by MDB2610 View Post
                      Never been a contractor for a day in my life, never been in a job that would warrant a contractor employment type.

                      That’s the point, many contractor roles should be classified as perm
                      Interesting that you then chose to join a contractor forum. What did you hope to achieve or contribute?

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