You're probably not going to like this - we certainly don't

[northernladuk]

How about fighting for your employment rights, including a nice final salary scheme...

We automatically get employment rights after two years don't we???

[TestMangler]

We automatically get employment rights after two years don't we???

Have you asked your employer ?

[missinggreenfields]

The pension "thing" is an example of why this just won't work. Currently, if you're IR35 caught, you can pay as much as you want into your SIPP as a company contribution (up to the 40K limit).

By paying in post tax, you get your tax relief, but you don't get NI back, so you would be considerably 'worse off' that IR35 caught today.

How about fighting for your employment rights, including a nice final salary scheme...

You could get the engager to pay to make employer contributions to your salary scheme

That way, you'd be taxed as an employee, pay NI as an employee (and employer), have them pay into your salary as an employer - but you categorically would not be an employee for employment rights.

[Platypus]

What exactly is government proposing?

Isn't this legislation designed to "catch" all those NHS and PS management fatcats who charge the PS a fortune as "consultants" to be full-time CEOs, managers etc of NHS trusts, the BBC and the like?

I mention this because if so I assume that he public will be very much in favour of this legislation.

Best of luck with your campaign but I for one couldn't support it

[LondonManc]

Isn't this legislation designed to "catch" all those NHS and PS management fatcats who charge the PS a fortune as "consultants" to be full-time CEOs, managers etc of NHS trusts, the BBC and the like?

I mention this because if so I assume that he public will be very much in favour of this legislation.

Best of luck with your campaign but I for one couldn't support it

Sledgehammer to crack a nut. I'd like to think that IPSE are going to campaign to get the sledgehammer changed to a nutcracker so that there's not the catastrophic collateral damage that we are expecting as things stand.

[IPSE]

Isn't this legislation designed to "catch" all those NHS and PS management fatcats who charge the PS a fortune as "consultants" to be full-time CEOs, managers etc of NHS trusts, the BBC and the like?

I mention this because if so I assume that he public will be very much in favour of this legislation.

Best of luck with your campaign but I for one couldn't support it

Much of that sector is already IR35-caught by dint of the Officeholders legislation. This will affect every ordinary contractor.

[missinggreenfields]

Isn't this legislation designed to "catch" all those NHS and PS management fatcats who charge the PS a fortune as "consultants" to be full-time CEOs, managers etc of NHS trusts, the BBC and the like?

No - they are already caught inside IR35 because they are in controlling positions. Danny Alexander brought the rule in, which makes sense to a lot of people.

[northernladuk]

Much of that sector is already IR35-caught by dint of the Officeholders legislation. This will affect every ordinary contractor.

What about extraordinary ones?

[teapot418]

Yep.... But my point was that CUK was ahead of IPSE in knowing about this....

As I said we knew about this before IPSE did and I posted on IPSE's forum well before anyone over there started discussing it....

No, your point is that it was being discussed on the CUK forums before it was discussed on the IPSE forums. A forum discussion requires someone to start a thread, which I did here and someone did on IPSE, and very useful it was too. But I think it's probably a bit of a stretch to assume IPSE were blissfully ignorant until that thread was posted.

[IPSE]

What about extraordinary ones?

They're all too busy posting on CUK to worry about HMRC