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    IPSE: is there an update on when you plan to provide a response to the consultation? I'm aware the deadline is approaching. Also, will you be publishing it here / on your website?

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      Originally posted by youngguy View Post
      IPSE: is there an update on when you plan to provide a response to the consultation? I'm aware the deadline is approaching. Also, will you be publishing it here / on your website?
      IPSE usually publish their responses just after the deadline so I would expect to see it on Friday or early next week....
      merely at clientco for the entertainment

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        Originally posted by youngguy View Post
        IPSE: is there an update on when you plan to provide a response to the consultation? I'm aware the deadline is approaching. Also, will you be publishing it here / on your website?
        We'll be publishing our response, a call to action from IPSE members via direct email and on our website, a press release and various blogs on Thursday 18th August.

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          Originally posted by IPSE View Post
          We'll be publishing our response, a call to action from IPSE members via direct email and on our website, a press release and various blogs on Thursday 18th August.
          Good job IPSE. As I've said on here, I'd have personally liked the process to be more transparent and be published before the deadline. That aside, it's a decent response (in my personal view)

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            Well its a response. Why on earth it uses the term PSC in any place is something that I cannot comprehend even though I know the consultation uses it..

            Let's see if it has any chance of commanding the sea....
            merely at clientco for the entertainment

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              Originally posted by eek View Post
              Well its a response. Why on earth it uses the term PSC in any place is something that I cannot comprehend even though I know the consultation uses it..

              Let's see if it has any chance of commanding the sea....
              To be fair I think it uses the term as the Gov did. It does cite the issue with the term early on.

              Obviously everyone will have views on areas that could have been stronger (for me it's around 5pc expenses and what it means for pensions) but it had stats from a 'real' institution and it came up with a tiered option from 'do nothing' through to 'dont rush it'.

              I was pleasantly surprised .

              Will it make a difference? I doubt it.

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                Originally posted by youngguy View Post
                To be fair I think it uses the term as the Gov did. It does cite the issue with the term early on.

                Obviously everyone will have views on areas that could have been stronger (for me it's around 5pc expenses and what it means for pensions) but it had stats from a 'real' institution and it came up with a tiered option from 'do nothing' through to 'dont rush it'.

                I was pleasantly surprised .

                Will it make a difference? I doubt it.
                My issue is that departments are not dependent on PSCs. They are dependent on agencies providing skilled freelance workers (it's what we are) and the use of psc hides what the actual issue would be - the skilled workers are going to sit on the sidelines and laugh.
                Last edited by eek; 18 August 2016, 08:27.
                merely at clientco for the entertainment

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                  Originally posted by youngguy View Post
                  To be fair I think it uses the term as the Gov did
                  And that in itself is already a grave mistake.
                  Language shapes thought. Parrotting HMRC's twisted newspeak automatically subordinates one to HMRC's twisted worldview.
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                    Originally posted by DotasScandal View Post
                    And that in itself is already a grave mistake.
                    Language shapes thought. Parrotting HMRC's twisted newspeak automatically subordinates one to HMRC's twisted worldview.
                    Indeed. A lie told often enough becomes the truth.
                    The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't exist

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                      Originally posted by DotasScandal View Post
                      And that in itself is already a grave mistake.
                      Language shapes thought. Parrotting HMRC's twisted newspeak automatically subordinates one to HMRC's twisted worldview.
                      Sadly we aren't like a union that can just say no. We are subordinate to them. It is very likely Gov will take no notice at all. It is not a fair consultation in the sense of power and decision making ability.

                      The Gov have created a PSC definition and seem intent on using it. I don't agree with it, but it is often a case of picking the battles and I don't know that having a document that just blank refused anything the Gov said would have been useful.

                      Its been clear that Gov are convinced we are a cash cow and now I think it is about getting the 'least bad option' .

                      The doc cites the lack of psc definition in section 2.2 and then says it will use it given the Gov does. I personally don't think you can dismiss the entire document based on this alone.

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