The Ben/Jo case study and IR35

[sociopath]

What about also providing them with an example of more appropriate cases like project based roles (one inside and one outside) from our knowledge and experience of the industry. Considering SDC in the examples. To avoid the one brush fits all approach. Just a thought.

[SueEllen]

Yeah, I included PI insurance but not the others. I've got the others, but I have employees, too, and Ben doesn't.

If you have subcontractors you use how ever infrequently then you need EL

However lots of insurers bundle it with PI so you may as well include it in the calculations.

[Zero Liability]

What about also providing them with an example of more appropriate cases like project based roles (one inside and one outside) from our knowledge and experience of the industry. Considering SDC in the examples. To avoid the one brush fits all approach. Just a thought.

I bet hector will love the screen name, maybe they'll even add it into their obviously very objective, balanced and fair case studies. That said, it'd be an instance of pot calling kettle black.

[WordIsBond]

As suggested on another thread, I've added the cost of a laptop to something Ben may have to pay for himself, while Jo probably has hers provided.

[suityou01]

As suggested on another thread, I've added the cost of a laptop to something Ben may have to pay for himself, while Jo probably has hers provided.

I think whoever suggested it also suggested the ongoing maintenance costs, upgrades, software licensing etc.

The cost of a laptop is 300 quid on eBay.

[WordIsBond]

Whoever it was would be annoying me if he wasn't right.

Ok, I've edited it again.

[suityou01]

Another thought. Would Ben be entitled to severance / redundancy pay?

[WordIsBond]

Covered under "employment risk/employment rights"

[SueEllen]

I think whoever suggested it also suggested the ongoing maintenance costs, upgrades, software licensing etc.

The cost of a laptop is 300 quid on eBay.

No one who isn't in the IT industry will use a second hand laptop for their business.

Put in the price of a mid-range one from the likes of Currys-PC World which is about £600.

[WordIsBond]

No one who isn't in the IT industry will use a second hand laptop for their business.

Put in the price of a mid-range one from the likes of Currys-PC World which is about £600.

Someone in the IT industry DOES use a second hand laptop? To each his own, but I need fast equipment.

Anyway, a lawyer might spend a little more than £600, but he'll also use the computer for three or four years, right? So how much are we talking? Perhaps not more than £300 / year.

I don't think the amount matters, particularly. It's just one more thing that demonstrates the injustice of their comparison. If we say, "Well, you forgot pension and accounting fees," that doesn't have the same impact as saying, "You forgot pension and PI and computer and accounting fees and stationery and mobile phone and relevant life plan, all of which Jo has paid for her by her employer." We can debate amounts but none of it is free and it all adds up.