Originally posted by jmo21
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Not dissimilar to "myself" - If you have any questions please ask myself. -
McCoy: "Medical men are trained in logic."
Spock: "Trained? Judging from you, I would have guessed it was trial and error."Comment
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Please don't peddle crap like this. It exists in crappy online dictionaries that allow people to put any old word in for a laugh, however you won't find it in the Oxford English Dictionary.Originally posted by lilelvis2000 View Post
It most certainly does not exist as a word in the Queen's English and I will never accept it as such!!!Comment
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Still sounds cool though. I never thought much of the queen....McCoy: "Medical men are trained in logic."
Spock: "Trained? Judging from you, I would have guessed it was trial and error."Comment
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What is to say the queen hasn't outsourced her database updates.Comment
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No it makes you sound like a retard of the first order, it is one of the words that really really gets to me. It ranks right up there with seeing "coz" in technical documents (coz is not a word ffs what were you thinking putting it in a ******* business document!!!!).Originally posted by lilelvis2000 View Post
Call me old fashioned but I like to think that our language deserves a little respect and that people coming over here should use it properly rather than making up words that they think sound "cool" or are in thier minds "logical".
How far do you think I would get if I went over to France, or Germany and started butchering thier language because it thought it was "cool" or "logical"????Last edited by Ardesco; 3 February 2009, 21:47.Comment
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People that are pedantic, picky and defensive about the English language clearly have no idea how it evolves and reorganises itself all the time. All attempts at standardising spellings and grammar have been a) made by egotistical individuals trying to impose rules on everyone else (never by offical bodies - there isn't one for the English language and never has been) and b) complete failures.
Many of the "rules" of English were introduced by a clergyman named Robert Lowth in a publication in 1762. He had no more authority than anyone else, but such concepts as not ending a sentence with a preposition came from his book - although he himself only tentatively suggested the idea, in fact. And I don't know what for.
There are standards in spelling, which help us distinguish between meanings of words which sound the same, for example, but even those can be loose and are not law.
One "standard" which is fast disappearing, and good riddance to it, is "fewer". For some reason, there are people who believe that "there were fewer people here yesterday" is totally correct, whilst "there were less people here yesterday" is a total crime against English. In fact, there is no such rule, and "less" is far more comfortable for most people to say or read than "fewer" anyway. Use whichever one you want, but don't make out that people are breaking some law by doing the opposite.
And new words appear all the time. If they are liked, they will become popular and will be assimilated into the language. If not, they'll die out just as thousands of other words have done in the past.
I'm not sure that "updation" will become a common English word, but there's no reason why it shouldn't if it wants to.Comment
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I disagree completely. We already have one bastardised version of English (American English) out there and we do not need another!
English will evolve as time moves forward, but resisting made up words brought into the language by people who do not speak the language and bastardise it to make it easier for them is the right thing to do.
Our language is part of our national identity and we should be protecting it rather than pandering to various people who cannot be bothered to learn it correctly. I would not expect to go to a country that speaks another language and then bastardise it to make it easier for me and then expect them to conform, I would expect to be treated with contempt and derision and as far as I'm concerned this is how we should treat people that try to bring in words like updation, needful and blatant inaccuracies like "coz".
I have picked up somebody on the use of "coz" in a document before and they were surprised to find out it wasn't a real word, they had heard it said so often htye thought it was the correct spelling and were quite mortified when it was explained that it did not exist. Said person no longer uses it in documents now that they know that they should really be writing because and as a result they have learnt something about our language and thier documents look a damn sight more professional.
I would suggest that people who do not care how words are spelt or grammar is presented are likely to be people who fall into one of three categories:
- Not native English speakers
- Not well educated
- Not well read
The last being the most likely, as people who are not well read have not learned to appreciate the various intracacies of well written English, and are therefore unlikely to be able to derive pleasure from well formed prose.
Wheeling out "the English language is alwaya evolving" as an argument is feeble justification for the corruption of our mother tounge at best and a lazy trollish answer provided by somebody who cannot be bother to form a coherent argument at worst....Comment
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