Off Payroll working - written ministerial statement 13th March 2018

[billybiro]

Pain or gain; April 19 or 20; still means it needs to be resisted;shaped;influenced; whatever.

Where are those who make money in this area?

Enjoying exemptions from all of this bulltulip.

Remember the golden rule. He who has the gold makes the rules.

[cojak]

Contractors will be making hay until 2020.

A stay of execution until then.

[Loan Ranger]

Where are those who make money in this area?

Probably off looking for a new way to make money.

[webberg]

Pain or gain; April 19 or 20; still means it needs to be resisted;shaped;influenced; whatever.

Where are those who make money in this area?

[madame SasGuru]

I think you mean:

• There is no issue in the private sector
• there wasn't an issue in the public sector so we created one
• we just need to work out how to maximise the gain for HMG and the pain for UK Business and contractors.

Nope there is an issue in the private sector - why else are chambermaids and other low paid people company directors?
Equally the BBC presenters tax issues highlight that there was an issue within the sectors that were actually targeted by the public sector reforms.
That doesn't mean that the chief purpose of this isn't to maximize tax revenue - Employers NI is a big issue but there are things that HMG can point at and follow up with and we need to fix this.

[ConfusedEasily]

Yep with the consultation not starting yesterday it will be very hard to get things done before April 2019 so its definitely going to be April 2020. However, I think that wording means its inevitable:-

• There is an issue in the private sector
• there was an issue in the public sector but we've fixed it
• we just need to work out how to minimize the pain

I think you mean:

• There is no issue in the private sector
• there wasn't an issue in the public sector so we created one
• we just need to work out how to maximise the gain for HMG and the pain for UK Business and contractors.

[madame SasGuru]

One of the newsletters I got about the Spring statement earlier today (can't remember which, only skim read them) did loosely mention this. Basically their view was that it now seemed very unlikely the rules would be moved into the private sector as early as April 2019, would likely be the year after if indeed it happens at all.

Yep with the consultation not starting yesterday it will be very hard to get things done before April 2019 so its definitely going to be April 2020. However, I think that wording means its inevitable:-

• There is an issue in the private sector
• there was an issue in the public sector but we've fixed it
• we just need to work out how to minimize the pain

[Maslins]

One of the newsletters I got about the Spring statement earlier today (can't remember which, only skim read them) did loosely mention this. Basically their view was that it now seemed very unlikely the rules would be moved into the private sector as early as April 2019, would likely be the year after if indeed it happens at all.

[webberg]

In the coming months the Government will publish:

Off-payroll working—a consultation on how to tackle non-compliance in the private sector, drawing on the experience of the public sector reform. The Government will work with businesses and individuals to mitigate the potential administrative burdens of any future changes.

https://hansard.parliament.uk/Common...6-90734A2F38AA

The above appeared yesterday but so far seems to have escaped comment.

Perhaps everybody is relieved that the "inevitable" adoption of the public sector rules is not something we've all woken up to this morning. I cannot find any reference to this on the websites of any contractor trade body or agency or recruiter or umbrella. Perhaps it's old news.

We have however been thinking about this a bit.

We consider that it will be important for contractors to mobilise to resist the sort of disastrous changes seen in the public sector and that in doing so, it is necessary to have a coalition of skills and inputs that go beyond the narrow confines of tax.

There are a number of interested parties in this who have the organisation and resources to organise this. Trade bodies, umbrellas, client associations, recruiters, contractor accounting firms.

We are a very small player here but we are happy to pitch in with knowledge and in pointing clients in the right direction.

There does however need to be a guiding hand and we call upon the above parties to provide that.