Reply to: World post IR35?

[SussexSeagull]

As per usual the market will have a fair say in what happens in as much as if clients are struggling to find skilled resource they will look into ways of keeping the role outside of IR35.

Speaking as someone currently looking for a new contract and spent most of last Summer doing the same that seems a long way away at the moment.

[elsergiovolador]

Pardon?

I've never had staff pay for products for me when I went into a supermarket. I've also never spent more than a couple of hours in any week in a supermarket. Any trip to one has been for the purpose of checking availability and price, or buying products. I do not go in to a supermarket because I am contracted to do so, or because the supermarket provides me with payment just for going there.

You seem to be clutching at straws. If you work and are paid for that work by a company, and you do that same job for years, working 35+ hours per week, then what is the difference in what you do and what the permanent employee sitting beside you does?

So as long as you do less than an hour a day, your work is not billable? I would expect one should be getting at least the minimum wage for the time spent at the tills and since the client is a large corp and you do the same job as employee, you would be caught by IR35. You know employment can be part time.

[WTFH]

The staff usually pays for the products just like any customer, so no, you don't pay to work.

Pardon?

I've never had staff pay for products for me when I went into a supermarket. I've also never spent more than a couple of hours in any week in a supermarket. Any trip to one has been for the purpose of checking availability and price, or buying products. I do not go in to a supermarket because I am contracted to do so, or because the supermarket provides me with payment just for going there.

You seem to be clutching at straws. If you work and are paid for that work by a company, and you do that same job for years, working 35+ hours per week, then what is the difference in what you do and what the permanent employee sitting beside you does?

[elsergiovolador]

Ah, so a contractor has to pay the client to work for them, right. That's what I've been doing wrong for 20+ years.

The staff usually pays for the products just like any customer, so no, you don't pay to work.

[WTFH]

That's another problem. I guess the remuneration is disguised in the products you buy.

Ah, so a contractor has to pay the client to work for them, right. That's what I've been doing wrong for 20+ years.

[elsergiovolador]

Brilliant analogy, just one question:
Do they get paid by the supermarket to use the self checkout?

That's another problem. I guess the remuneration is disguised in the products you buy.

[elsergiovolador]

Does it take you 40 hours a week to do your shopping?

So is it okay if it is the same job as long as it doesn't take the same time?

[ladymuck]

Do you think people who go to the same supermarket for years and use self checkout doing basically the same job as a cashier, should become store employees?

Does it take you 40 hours a week to do your shopping?

[WTFH]

Do you think people who go to the same supermarket for years and use self checkout doing basically the same job as a cashier, should become store employees?

Brilliant analogy, just one question:
Do they get paid by the supermarket to use the self checkout?

[elsergiovolador]

No, just a bit tired of people saying they are contractors when they only work for one company for years doing basically the same job as an employee

Do you think people who go to the same supermarket for years and use self checkout doing basically the same job as a cashier, should become store employees?

[WTFH]

You've really swallowed the HMRC mantra haven't you?

No, just a bit tired of people saying they are contractors when they only work for one company for years doing basically the same job as an employee

[DimPrawn]

If you're a one person "business" who only works for one client for long periods of time then you really should drop the word "business", in the same way that you need to drop the word "freelance" or "temporary"

You've really swallowed the HMRC mantra haven't you?

[AnthonyQuinn]

But they are also not an employee - they are a worker without rights.

they have the right not to work there.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

That's correct, a disguised employee is not running a business.

But they are also not an employee - they are a worker without rights.

[elsergiovolador]

If you're a one person "business" who only works for one client for long periods of time then you really should drop the word "business", in the same way that you need to drop the word "freelance" or "temporary"

That's correct, a disguised employee is not running a business.