Reply to: Montpelier - initial publicity docs - anyone point me in the direction of these?

[cojak]

Had I seen this before PokemonStay had asked for his own ban I would have permabanned him. He knew he had crossed a line.

I have marked his card. If he looks at this thread again once he returns he will be permabanned (and his sockies as well if it is who I think it is...)

[SummerhillLass]

Moderators ??

So you forget all the contents of our very long phone call then? Remember that while you were doing the square root of zilch, some of us were fighting very hard. Long after the case has closed(i.e. UTTT lost) you fly in like a pigeon making alot of noise and cr4pping everywhere.

I can see you have had little dealings with the press. I have been dealing with them for 15 years now.

"I think" - don't make me laugh.

"creative action" - what EXACTLY do you expect to achieve?

No-one is ashamed and frightened. There are some very bright people out there. Who have learnt their lesson.


In fact, I learnt my lesson in 2003. Tried to pass it onto Huitson lot. Failed. Who now preach what I have been since 2003.

However, YOU clearly know best. YOU want to ride your ego - in fact I suspect that you would rather that things only change if you get credit. No credit for you, no interest. Go your own way. Do as YOU please. Just please come and report back when you are done - its not just me who needs a laugh.

This guy is also harrassing me with messages about digging graves - I'm taking it that 'banned' means that ? thanks. I won't dignify this with any further replies

[phil@pmtc]

Any publicity will attract idiots - and you know what? It dies down. I was in the press three years ago (nothing to do with tax) and for two weeks life was odd - messages of expected support and also some real tulip. Two weeks later it was as if nothing had happened. Trolls move onto something else.

Oh - and for me it did make a difference. A good one.

I’d agree with this. At this stage, the worst possible is going to happen if nothing changes. I think we can all agree that HMRC aren’t going to change their mind out of goodwill. Therefore, since people are rock bottom they can either do nothing and see no change or at least try. If the person who stands up and makes a noise is willing to accept the potential consequences (trolls etc) then I see no harm in them trying and I wish them luck.
I’m an advisor and there’s no secret that therefore I make money from assisting others through all this but I’d like to think that there’s enough people in this forum who would say I’ve given what advise I can in so many free calls (plus other actions I’m not going to state here) that I’ve long since lost count. I’m doing what I can as there’s a human aspect to all of this. I find it amazing therefore that when someone like summerhill tries to do something she’s shot down like it’s a bad thing or ,even more remarkably, causing damage. It’s her life we are talking about here and they have every right to try. To do nothing is to accept defeat. There’s no further to fall for many so the only way is up.

[ConfusedEasily]

As a family friend would tell you that isn't the case. Her brother is currently is currently in intensive care following a gas explosion - last night alone she had 10 phone calls and numerous texts from anonymous trolls saying life support should be removed - and that's before you look at the 4000 or so "friend" requests on social media.

Publicity may help your cause (it won't but hey you can live in hope). If however you do end up in the papers expect some people to identify you and make your life insufferably...

Any publicity will attract idiots - and you know what? It dies down. I was in the press three years ago (nothing to do with tax) and for two weeks life was odd - messages of expected support and also some real tulip. Two weeks later it was as if nothing had happened. Trolls move onto something else.

Oh - and for me it did make a difference. A good one.

[madame SasGuru]

SummerhillLass - Ignore all the bollocks above. You fight as you see fit. Nothing you can do can make it worse than it already is.

As a family friend would tell you that isn't the case. Her brother is currently is currently in intensive care following a gas explosion - last night alone she had 10 phone calls and numerous texts from anonymous trolls saying life support should be removed - and that's before you look at the 4000 or so "friend" requests on social media.

Publicity may help your cause (it won't but hey you can live in hope). If however you do end up in the papers expect some people to identify you and make your life insufferably...

[ConfusedEasily]

SummerhillLass - Ignore all the bollocks above. You fight as you see fit. Nothing you can do can make it worse than it already is.

[travellingknob]

Good luck in your quest. A word of caution for your own sanity though, taking on the might of HMRC is not going to bring you any peace. The press and MPs have already heard this story several years ago and the establishment just closed ranks. The public dont care. The whole montpelier saga has caused massive stress to many and will continue to bankrupt people for some years to come.
I recommend meditation, let it go move on and find a way to happiness again. Think about it, they just aren’t going to change the law no matter how much noise you manage to generate. The best that could happen is an MP speaks up the next time HMRC introduce such draconian legislation but given their tendancy to toe the party line in the interests of career progress rather than voter representation even that seems a lost cause.

[PokemonStay]

I don't get this twisted up logic; say what you mean in plain speak. No-one but you has indicated 'hate' towards what I am doing. How do you justify writing something as vicious as my name ending up 'standing for mud' ? I think creative action can be taken and that it is time to stop hiding and feeling ashamed and frightened.

So you forget all the contents of our very long phone call then? Remember that while you were doing the square root of zilch, some of us were fighting very hard. Long after the case has closed(i.e. UTTT lost) you fly in like a pigeon making alot of noise and cr4pping everywhere.

I can see you have had little dealings with the press. I have been dealing with them for 15 years now.

"I think" - don't make me laugh.

"creative action" - what EXACTLY do you expect to achieve?

No-one is ashamed and frightened. There are some very bright people out there. Who have learnt their lesson.

In fact, I learnt my lesson in 2003. Tried to pass it onto Huitson lot. Failed. Who now preach what I have been since 2003.

However, YOU clearly know best. YOU want to ride your ego - in fact I suspect that you would rather that things only change if you get credit. No credit for you, no interest. Go your own way. Do as YOU please. Just please come and report back when you are done - its not just me who needs a laugh.

[SummerhillLass]

Just remember the PM I sent you on Gauke.

You can choose to believe your word will stand for something. I suspect your name will end up standing for mud.

Remember the CPBWRN and I wish you well. We are trying to help. The vast majority of CUK posters hate you and us.

I don't get this twisted up logic; say what you mean in plain speak. No-one but you has indicated 'hate' towards what I am doing. How do you justify writing something as vicious as my name ending up 'standing for mud' ? I think creative action can be taken and that it is time to stop hiding and feeling ashamed and frightened.

[Manic]

Any bigger and I will be as big as MF.

Almost all on CUK believe they are real contractors and everyone else is a disgusted employee. And will happily sacrifice all others. try reading the future of contracting sub forum.

I prefer not to due to the depressing tone.

[PokemonStay]

Expand please

Any bigger and I will be as big as MF.

Almost all on CUK believe they are real contractors and everyone else is a disgusted employee. And will happily sacrifice all others. try reading the future of contracting sub forum.

[Manic]

Just remember the PM I sent you on Gauke.

You can choose to believe your word will stand for something. I suspect your name will end up standing for mud.

Remember the CPBWRN and I wish you well. We are trying to help. The vast majority of CUK posters hate you and us.

Expand please

[PokemonStay]

Gauke 2008
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The retrospective nature of the clause is deeply troubling. We fully share the Government’s concern about the issue that it is trying to address. There is a problem with the arrangements and it is perhaps more than just a kink in the system, as the Economic Secretary put it. Trading profits derived from UK land are being received tax free by UK residents and domiciled individuals because of schemes involving the establishment of offshore trusts, specifically in the Isle of Man.

The existing legislation appears to deal with the issue where the UK residents or domiciled individuals are partners in the relevant offshore funds, but it does not seem to work where the partners are trusts and the UK individuals are benefiting from the arrangement. There is not a problem with trying to address that point, but there is a point of principle here. The proposal essentially states that the amendments contained in the clause are to be treated as always having had effect. Either the law exists or it does not. It is troubling when the Government state that the law in the past is something because that is what they say it is now. That is essentially what subsection (4) states.

This is partly an issue of simple democracy. It raises issues about EU law and legitimate expectations. I shall not pursue that point, but the hon. Member for South-East Cornwall is right to raise it. In part, it cuts to the question of the certainty and stability of the UK tax system. For investors, the idea that UK tax law is likely to be changed retrospectively is unattractive, and the UK is, for various reasons, acquiring a reputation for having an uncertain and unstable tax system, which is bad for the UK economy.

Gauke 2012
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Laurence Robertson (Tewkesbury, Conservative)
To ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer how many people had to pay additional tax following the coming into force of section 58(4) of the Finance Act 2008; and if he will make a statement.

Hansard source (Citation: HC Deb, 18 June 2012, c723W)

David Gauke (Exchequer Secretary, HM Treasury; South West Hertfordshire, Conservative)
UK residents are taxable on their worldwide income wherever it arises—including situations where it arises by way of foreign partnerships. Section 58 of Finance Act 2008 was enacted to help put that beyond doubt and in so doing, made clear that a wholly artificial tax avoidance scheme involving a foreign partnership comprised of foreign trustees did not work. As section 58 retrospectively clarified existing legislation, its introduction had no affect on any taxpayers' tax position.

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Now let the CUK trolls jump in.....

[PokemonStay]

Hi Can't Pay, I am actually doing all those things as well and have been for some time. Seeing my MP tomorrow - on twitter constantly and open to any other action. TBH, I can see how radicalisation works now ! Thanks for your comment; my position is very different to yours I feel but my intention is not to harm anyone. I do not believe I should have to hide or be ashamed or frightened. I am a professional counsellor myself so my word will stand for something, I believe ...

Just remember the PM I sent you on Gauke.

You can choose to believe your word will stand for something. I suspect your name will end up standing for mud.

Remember the CPBWRN and I wish you well. We are trying to help. The vast majority of CUK posters hate you and us.

[SummerhillLass]

Hi Can't Pay, I am actually doing all those things as well and have been for some time. Seeing my MP tomorrow - on twitter constantly and open to any other action. TBH, I can see how radicalisation works now ! Thanks for your comment; my position is very different to yours I feel but my intention is not to harm anyone. I do not believe I should have to hide or be ashamed or frightened. I am a professional counsellor myself so my word will stand for something, I believe ...