More really is less.......

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

Not necessarily. The correlation coefficient between cost and skill is not massively high Blagging and selling yourself affect rates perhaps as much as skill especially if clients don't really evaluate you - they see you charged £600/day at your last contract and assume that means you're a £600/day kind of guy

That is true, but usually the kind of places that pay that amount of money expect value for money. So provided your next place is clued up it will do some proper referencing and find out if they go their money's worth (currently waiting for a contract to come through which required 5 years of references!)

[d000hg]

Not necessarily. The correlation coefficient between cost and skill is not massively high Blagging and selling yourself affect rates perhaps as much as skill especially if clients don't really evaluate you - they see you charged £600/day at your last contract and assume that means you're a £600/day kind of guy

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

What if they'd paid 1 chancer £600/day though?

The problem is at least partly their selection process not how much they paid.

Also £400 is not a cheap day rate. Unless you're in some niche field £600/day is a LOT. Most of the best developers I've worked with have been permies on £30-40k!

indeed £400/day is not cheap but the absolute best developers (who are in fact a hell of a lot more than just developers) would cost a bit more at least.

[d000hg]

I have experienced first hand that if you want to get the cheapest results it is not about getting the cheapest people in. 3 other contractors were brought into this project on rates ranging between 300/day and 400/day. I have spent a lot of the last 3 months cleaning up the piles of turd that they all left behind after claiming they had completely finished the work. The lower the day rate the larger the piece of turd that was left behind to clean up. It would have been far cheaper if they had got one high calibre contractor in at £600/day than paying these 3 numpties a combined £1000/day.

God only knows the kind of turds that are in the public sector considering they pay people £200/day.

What if they'd paid 1 chancer £600/day though?

The problem is at least partly their selection process not how much they paid.

Also £400 is not a cheap day rate. Unless you're in some niche field £600/day is a LOT. Most of the best developers I've worked with have been permies on £30-40k!

[MicrosoftBob]

How much does a ho charge these days?

$15 dollah love you long time

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

How much does a ho charge these days?

How much did you last pay for a ho and when was that? We can estimate it based on inflation.

[TheFaQQer]

Jeez I whinged at an agency phoning up offering one at £260 a day, they'll either get someone straight out of Uni or a bob at hose rates in central london

How much does a ho charge these days?

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

Jeez I whinged at an agency phoning up offering one at £260 a day, they'll either get someone straight out of Uni or a bob at hose rates in central london

bobs fill those roles. To be honest, the pace of work at those places perfectly suites them.

[MicrosoftBob]

We all know that's the case, unfortunately too few clients see it that way (especially public sector) my current client co pays very good rates/salaries because they know that you have to pay well to get good people in, ergo both the permies and contractors are some of the best and brightest I have worked with (god knows how I got in ), I recently got tapped up by an agent looking to fill a senior dev contract role at a central london university, the rate was £200 a day... I shudder to think of who he filled that role with.

Jeez I whinged at an agency phoning up offering one at £260 a day, they'll either get someone straight out of Uni or a bob at hose rates in central london

[kal]

I have experienced first hand that if you want to get the cheapest results it is not about getting the cheapest people in. 3 other contractors were brought into this project on rates ranging between 300/day and 400/day. I have spent a lot of the last 3 months cleaning up the piles of turd that they all left behind after claiming they had completely finished the work. The lower the day rate the larger the piece of turd that was left behind to clean up. It would have been far cheaper if they had got one high calibre contractor in at £600/day than paying these 3 numpties a combined £1000/day.

God only knows the kind of turds that are in the public sector considering they pay people £200/day.

We all know that's the case, unfortunately too few clients see it that way (especially public sector) my current client co pays very good rates/salaries because they know that you have to pay well to get good people in, ergo both the permies and contractors are some of the best and brightest I have worked with (god knows how I got in ), I recently got tapped up by an agent looking to fill a senior dev contract role at a central london university, the rate was £200 a day... I shudder to think of who he filled that role with.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

I have experienced first hand that if you want to get the cheapest results it is not about getting the cheapest people in. 3 other contractors were brought into this project on rates ranging between 300/day and 400/day. I have spent a lot of the last 3 months cleaning up the piles of turd that they all left behind after claiming they had completely finished the work. The lower the day rate the larger the piece of turd that was left behind to clean up. It would have been far cheaper if they had got one high calibre contractor in at £600/day than paying these 3 numpties a combined £1000/day.

God only knows the kind of turds that are in the public sector considering they pay people £200/day.