Reply to: How to get a Council house

[MicrosoftBob]

Are you saying the shortage is mainly due to EU migrants?

If we left the EU we would probably taper leavers and many of the Eastern Europeans seem to be marrying & breeding with the locals so those would probably stay.

Inflation as usual will reward those borrowing.

I'm saying our island is overcrowded and we need to get rid of people and immigration doesn't help keep the population figures down

[vetran]

Well if we won't leave the EU, I can't see an alternative to the housing crisis

Are you saying the shortage is mainly due to EU migrants?

If we left the EU we would probably taper leavers and many of the Eastern Europeans seem to be marrying & breeding with the locals so those would probably stay.

Inflation as usual will reward those borrowing.

[doodab]

Well if we won't leave the EU, I can't see an alternative to the housing crisis

Leaving the EU would quite probably cause a crash in the rental market and knock on effect on the price of houses.

It would probably also cause rampant wage inflation.

I think we need both of those things to rebalance the economy and cost of living. Perhaps I should vote ukip after all.

[MicrosoftBob]

a bit extreme.

I'm happy to see a benevolent workfare program if they can ever get it past the lefty judges.

Well if we won't leave the EU, I can't see an alternative to the housing crisis

[vetran]

Scrapping benefits altogether would help too, less housing need as people would emigrate to other countries to sponge off their benefits instead

a bit extreme.

I'm happy to see a benevolent workfare program if they can ever get it past the lefty judges.

[MicrosoftBob]

if that is what they need to do.

I lived on toast for a few months instead. Thanks to the idiots that got us into the ERM and the resulting double digit interest rates.

Maybe that is what they need to do to put all the By to letters out of business push the interest rates up to 20% and cap rents, then only the champagne socialists & big business can be landlords?

Scrapping benefits altogether would help too, less housing need as people would emigrate to other countries to sponge off their benefits instead

[vetran]

FTFY

if that is what they need to do.

I lived on toast for a few months instead. Thanks to the idiots that got us into the ERM and the resulting double digit interest rates.

Maybe that is what they need to do to put all the By to letters out of business push the interest rates up to 20% and cap rents, then only the champagne socialists & big business can be landlords?

[MicrosoftBob]

Of course that should be a part of the policy but if the council homes are all filled with people with no links to the area and no job there aren't any houses to go to.

Also they need to find jobs that pay enough, or live 16 to a house so they can rent privately like the Polish & other Eastern Europeans seem to do.

FTFY

[doodab]

Also they need to find jobs that pay enough they can rent privately like the Polish & other Eastern Europeans seem to do.

An awful lot of people, especially down south where rents are much higher, are renting privately and claiming HB. In London it's the only way a low paid worker (i.e. care worker, young teacher etc) can afford somewhere to live. It makes little or no sense for such people to live out of town as the commuting cost generally balances out any rent reduction and of course there is no benefit to cover the cost of commuting.

[doodab]

In most deprived areas it's easy to get a grant to set up your own business, perhaps no one tells them there is help out there

I can't imagine the minimum wage jobsworths in the dole office to be much help, and with business link no more perhaps that doesn't help

Most people aren't cut out to set up their own business either, and in a deprived area the chances of it succeeding are rather slim. These tend to be the places with the most boarded up shops.

[MicrosoftBob]

The other side of this picture is the oft repeated mantra that the unemployed should "get on their bikes" and move where the work is. How are they supposed to do that if they can't actually move?

In most deprived areas it's easy to get a grant to set up your own business, perhaps no one tells them there is help out there

I can't imagine the minimum wage jobsworths in the dole office to be much help, and with business link no more perhaps that doesn't help

[vetran]

The other side of this picture is the oft repeated mantra that the unemployed should "get on their bikes" and move where the work is. How are they supposed to do that if they can't actually move?

Of course that should be a part of the policy but if the council homes are all filled with people with no links to the area and no job there aren't any houses to go to.

Also they need to find jobs that pay enough they can rent privately like the Polish & other Eastern Europeans seem to do.

What is a Council house supposed to be?

1. A stop gap for the desperate while they regroup.
2. Provision for those in need that cannot survive on their own?
3. A subsidised house for life for those who get in?

I think 3 is wrong, 1&2 are good.

[doodab]

They then all moved back to London and requested housing. They don't want to be in Leeds, there is no work there. Whether they work legally or illegally is another issue.

The other side of this picture is the oft repeated mantra that the unemployed should "get on their bikes" and move where the work is. How are they supposed to do that if they can't actually move?

[vetran]

They claim that living in Glasgow, Hull or Leeds means they don't have their community around them, which the stupid Housing people in London believe.


Housing association rules are different to council housing rules i.e. RTB, inheritance of tenancy through the family. Some housing associations don't allow RTB now at all.



I heard it on the news then saw one of these programs about it. I was very amused by the Housing Officers telling teenagers, single men and fewer single women you have f*** all chance of getting a house. The teenagers were told to go and find someone in their family to live with or make peace with them.

Yep, can't blame them its the system, if councils don't communicate and have a history for tenants so they can't play the councils off each other then people will abuse it.

Indeed I think that is why the Tories pushed housing associations, 'Privatisation by the back door etc. It makes sense Council tenants should get less rights now.

[SueEllen]

They then all moved back to London and requested housing. They don't want to be in Leeds, there is no work there. Whether they work legally or illegally is another issue.

They claim that living in Glasgow, Hull or Leeds means they don't have their community around them, which the stupid Housing people in London believe.

The 17% social renting included Housing association.

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...rt_2012-13.pdf

Housing association rules are different to council housing rules i.e. RTB, inheritance of tenancy through the family. Some housing associations don't allow RTB now at all.

Not sure excluding them because they wouldn't get a house any time soon is fair, but I suppose its easier than telling them they can't have one.

I heard it on the news then saw one of these programs about it. I was very amused by the Housing Officers telling teenagers, single men and fewer single women you have f*** all chance of getting a house. The teenagers were told to go and find someone in their family to live with or make peace with them.