Reply to: Welcome to Duindorp, where it's ok to harass the foreigners.

[xoggoth]

Do you have or ever had neighbours who aren't the same skin colour and/or religion as you?

Yes, but relevance of question? Not too hot on grasping points are you? It isn't about skin colour or religion as such (although they play a part in defining "our" culture) but a willingness to interact with others in a community, not just those in a narrowly defined section of it.

Too many well off and educated people, like contractors, tend to draw wrong conclusions from their own experiences of similarly well off and educated people. Education and prosperity are great for reducing divisions. Never aware of any cultural divides in all my contracting years.

Such experiences are not necessarily typical of those experienced by the majority, try reading that BBC article.

[hyperD]

Vote UKIP!

[SueEllen]

Leaving aside major issues like extremism, there is nothing positive about having communities that do not interact, no matter how law abiding they each may be.

A sense of community and a willingness to get involved with others are very important things. In our village and I suppose many other small communities, it's amazing how people are willing to help out when necessary. When bad things happen, people you thought of as acquaintances become friends. When you have people with very different views on major issues, who often speak different languages, all that vanishes.


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Do you have or ever had neighbours who aren't the same skin colour and/or religion as you?

[xoggoth]

Leaving aside major issues like extremism, there is nothing positive about having communities that do not interact, no matter how law abiding they each may be.

A sense of community and a willingness to get involved with others are very important things. In our village and I suppose many other small communities, it's amazing how people are willing to help out when necessary. When bad things happen, people you thought of as acquaintances become friends. When you have people with very different views on major issues, who often speak different languages, all that vanishes.

For all the hopeful talk about "integration", "multiculturalism" and now "cohesion", the reality on the ground appears to be that Britain's Muslim Asian community and its white community have few points of contact, and that the white majority often feel they share little in common with the growing Muslim Asian minority.

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[xoggoth]

The facts in Duindorp are related to foreign citizens

Supposedly but from my reading of what the residents actually said, I think "foreigners" just includes anyone not like them, I rather doubt they are actually welcoming people of dark complexion provided they have a valid NL passport.

[xoggoth]

Did you bother to click on the link that norrahe posted?
Islam is a religion not a race or ethnicity just like Christianity. So Muslims like Christians come in all different colours including Ginger Celtic looking

Don't derive "facts" from a click on a DM link. Of course there are the occasional ginger haired/whatever Muslims but very, very few in the UK are not of minority, especially South Asian, descent.

The DM is very PC at times, probably trying to counter its image, by playing up such negligible involvement of white Brits in terrorism or militant Islamism. If you want real facts, try the Guardian, BBC or Independent.

[petergriffin]

All the cited examples deal with long-established minorities. The facts in Duindorp are related to foreign citizens.

So, I seem to understand, the general consensus is that it's ok to throw stones at the foreigners' windows.

Why stop here? Why not beat them? Or kill them.

[SueEllen]

Indeed. The silliest thing about all this is the one sided nature of the arguments. Minorities all tend to go places where they can be with people of their own ethnicity. Some are unwilling to mix with others and hostility to others is not that unusual. Yet only white people are called racist for what is perfectly normal human behaviour, preferring the company of people like themselves.

Did you bother to click on the link that norrahe posted?

Islam is a religion not a race or ethnicity just like Christianity. So Muslims like Christians come in all different colours including Ginger Celtic looking ones......

[xoggoth]

Indeed. The silliest thing about all this is the one sided nature of the arguments. Minorities all tend to go places where they can be with people of their own ethnicity. Some are unwilling to mix with others and hostility to others is not that unusual. Yet only white people are called racist for what is perfectly normal human behaviour, preferring the company of people like themselves.

[norrahe]

But nobody will have the balls to fight the Muslim vigilante gangs because they have a British passport.

While it's ok to have a go at the foreigners.

Another link from the wail, but it's been going on for quite some time in the east end.

I went to uni in the east end and we had constant problems with a local militant islamic group, who tried to get in on campus activities on numerous occasions, the uni was known for its large islamic population but there were never any problems then. This was over 15 years ago but the migrant population has now changed from largely Jewish to mainly Banglideshi, but the anti British feeling seems to have stepped up a notch.

The east end as xogoth pointed out has been a haven for many immigrants or those fleeing persecution, the Hugenots in the1600's, Spanish Portugese Jews in the 1700's and then followed by the Irish in the mid 1800's and mid 1900's the Bangladeshi communities

[xoggoth]

This is what happens where legitimate concerns are continually ignored. Policies of the more moderate right wing parties like UKIP, such as reasonable control of numbers, proper checks on individuals and requiring that migrants are prepared to integrate rather than stay outside our society, will help to prevent such things, not cause them.

Too much to expect any grasp of history from some but, just one example, look at the history of the Blackshirts. Jews had integrated well and Anti-Semitism was almost dead in Britain until a big influx of Jews from Russia and Eastern Europe to East London in the last half of the 19th century stirred it all up again.

[petergriffin]

No. It appears to be factual.

BBC News - East London homophobic abuse 'vigilante' victim plea

But nobody will have the balls to fight the Muslim vigilante gangs because they have a British passport.

While it's ok to have a go at the foreigners.

[BrilloPad]

Is that on the Mail?

No. It appears to be factual.

BBC News - East London homophobic abuse 'vigilante' victim plea

[petergriffin]

I thought muslims were doing that in East London recently?

Is that on the Mail?

[BrilloPad]

I thought muslims were doing that in East London recently?