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[scooterscot]

But your Scottish prime minister abolished boom and bust, what could possibly go wrong

Not only that he saved the world.

One thing our culture could do without is looking back in blame but instead look forward for progress.

Our country is consumed by greed from those that represent us to the Jone's next door. I don't care for it myself but quality living is more important the material living.

[MicrosoftBob]

It is repugnant. Our debt exists & grows as we know because government cannot afford what it pays out. Our credit card is beyond saving imo. Our banks should have defaulted, our children spared, capitalism saved.

But your Scottish prime minister abolished boom and bust, what could possibly go wrong

[scooterscot]

Not only do they plunder the middle class and whoever fits into this vague concept of 'the rich' or 'the wealthy', but when they take on debt they plunder children who haven't had any say whatsoever as to whether they want to spend their lives paying interest on the debts of the past.....

It is repugnant. Our debt exists & grows as we know because government cannot afford what it pays out. Our credit card is beyond saving imo. Our banks should have defaulted, our children spared, capitalism saved.

[Mich the Tester]

Well I believe you know what my thoughts on the government are, however the government is so far removed from anything resembling restraint that even a reduction to 25% would be a huge leap forward. I'm not too fond of those sort of metrics, however, because ideally what should constrain the government is the scope of the services it provides, if nothing else. At the moment, it is at the behest of lobby groups and various ideologues who think the tax system is there to loot and plunder the 'wealthy' (mostly just the middle class.)...

Not only do they plunder the middle class and whoever fits into this vague concept of 'the rich' or 'the wealthy', but when they take on debt they plunder children who haven't had any say whatsoever as to whether they want to spend their lives paying interest on the debts of the past. Now I know, there are commitments to educate those kids and in theory a parliament can just cancel all the debt or vote to default, but that would leave the economy in such a parlous state that it isn't a real option. It disgusts me and I find it utterly immoral that governments, supposedly to satisfy the multitude of demands from the public, load young people with debt before they've even had the vote or started voting. I can make exception for some defensive war like WW2 or the recovery from some disaster like the floods of '53, but if a government is disciplined in its approach it can set aside reserves for many eventualities.

[scooterscot]

Government is a good idea

Well I believe you know what my thoughts on the government are, however it is so far removed from anything resembling restraint that even a reduc....

Just not a centralised one for a population the size of the UK.

It seems to me it is no longer possible to have a one size fits all attitude across the UK landscape. Many cities should have their own powers including control of business taxes. I think it would be wonderful for the country. They could stop the independence referendum in it's tracks if the current government were not so London centric.

But it'll not happen, our current government have demonstrated time after time to deploy reactive decision making. We've lost our spark and fundamental change is required to get Britain moving again but I'm not certain it could ever happen in time now.

[scooterscot]

Trouble is, the politicians and civil servants won't fook off and get out of th.....

Agreed. Simpler government all round please.

[Zero Liability]

Well I believe you know what my thoughts on the government are, however the government is so far removed from anything resembling restraint that even a reduction to 25% would be a huge leap forward. I'm not too fond of those sort of metrics, however, because ideally what should constrain the government is the scope of the services it provides, if nothing else. At the moment, it is at the behest of lobby groups and various ideologues who think the tax system is there to loot and plunder the 'wealthy' (mostly just the middle class.) The wealthy, though they bear much of the tax burden, are also the ablest to move their wealth about, until of course the OECD, the parasitical IMF and the equally parasitical governments supporting it get their way. The threat of secession for areas that want to go at it alone, such as Scotland, could also be a useful constraint. I'm not too optimistic about constitutions given the history of countries like the US, but I agree with what you say.

Constraints on its ability to borrow and inflate would be welcome. It just pisses me off that they assume that they have carte blanche to spend as they will, and then just pass the bill onto us afterwards and act as though it is through lack of patriotism or some other ideal they conveniently pull out of their posteriors that we don't pay 'enough' tax. These are people whose entire vocation as politicians or bureaucrats is tax-funded. The shroud of 'democratically elected government' also has its role in it, because if some bare minority of the population voted them in on promises they never intended to deliver, obviously we all asked for it.

[Mich the Tester]

Couldn't agree more. They overspend then make it look like it's us to blame and who isn't paying 'enough' tax.

The below is a good example of simply assuming the validity of the tax measure in question:

Scrapping IR35 all very well

Trouble is, the politicians and civil servants won't fook off and get out of the way, because seemingly all of us bang our fists on the table and demand the government does something about summat or other.

The lefties demand that the government does something about poverty, or other people earning 'too much', so the government spends money on keeping poor people housed and few and wastes time on tulip like IR35 and other complex tax legislation, all the while stifling any initiative that might let poor people climb the ladder. The righties complain about the immigrants and the gypsies and the benefit scroungers, so the government spends money on extra border controls, visa officials, ID card schemes and the like, all the while failing to actually deal with the causes of poverty, the consequences of migration or plan for inevitable future migration. Either way, government just keeps growing and becoming more bloated and indebted. I'm not saying we should get rid of government altogether and move to anarchy, but maybe we need constitutional limits on the numder of people employed in government and the percentage of GDP that government may spend. Keynes would apparently have chosen 25% as a limit. Otherwise, perhaps we all have to demand a bit less of our government and sort our own bloody lives out.

[Zero Liability]

I wish they could just fook off, leave us alone and stop overspending.

Couldn't agree more. They overspend then make it look like it's us to blame and who isn't paying 'enough' tax.

The below is a good example of simply assuming the validity of the tax measure in question:

Scrapping IR35 all very well

[norrahe]

I've never understood why folks think they need a Ltd company in the EU.

I have a B.V simply due to the fact I have the 30% ruling otherwise I would lose the ruling if it takes me longer than 3 months to find a new contract.

Also for my specialization it's difficult to work on several clients at once or due to duration in one year, but effectively I'm only there for the duration of a project.

[scooterscot]

What's your liability as a freelancer in Germany? Are there any requirements to have insurance in place (professional indemnity, public liability)?

Liability is agreed upon in my contract with the client.


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[Mich the Tester]

so just like Britain then!


I wish they would make it a simple checklist that we could all follow.

I wish they could just fook off, leave us alone and stop overspending.

[Bunk]

I've never understood why folks think they need a Ltd company in the EU.

What's your liability as a freelancer in Germany? Are there any requirements to have insurance in place (professional indemnity, public liability)?

[vetran]

So have I, and so have most freelancers here, but the misleading bit in the story is that it looks like that's the main criteria; it isn't, there are lots more and there's also the rather subjective judgment of a tax official (who are well known for not knowing what they're doing over here), and of course politics. All this has bugger all to do with 'fake freelancers', but a lot to do with an indebted, unsustainable, bloated government that is scratching around for money anywhere it thinks it can find it.

so just like Britain then!


I wish they would make it a simple checklist that we could all follow.

[scooterscot]

With those conditions, another alternative would be for at least three IT consultants to club together as directors of the same service company and each undertake contracts as before through that company, so each can justly claim they have at least three clients at a time.

I suppose the only potential snag is the decision to take a dividend, and the dividend amounts if the income bought in by directors is not equal, unless their share proportions are constantly juggled to allow unequal dividend payments.

I've never understood why folks think they need a Ltd company in the EU.