Reply to: Scotland yadda independence thingy

[scooterscot]

I've used both box jenkins and trigg & leach, yes overtakes no in the next 6-8 weeks.

Seems to me the more the Tory's fu$£up the stronger yes & UKIP grow.

My model was 8 weeks short. Baa humbug.

[DodgyAgent]

Read the white paper for goodness sake.

Why?

what's wrong with a black or coloured one?

[scooterscot]

And how exactly is that going to change when the only parties to choose from are essentially socialist big state non enterprise?

Read the white paper for goodness sake.

[DodgyAgent]

Change is not going to happen over night. The culture of non-jobs that has been created is dreadful.

And how exactly is that going to change when the only parties to choose from are essentially socialist big state non enterprise?

[scooterscot]

So they are poorly paid and yet even with working tax credit and minimum wage legislation are still poor. How on earth do you think changing the government will resolve that issue.

Supposedly 20,000 public sector jobs will disappear when the quangos have to move south of the border... Where will those people find jubs

Change is not going to happen over night. The culture of non-jobs that has been created is dreadful.

[eek]

And before you scream typical benefit scroungers, some of the worst affected by poverty in Scotland are indeed those already in employment. Don't get me started.

So they are poorly paid and yet even with working tax credit and minimum wage legislation are still poor. How on earth do you think changing the government will resolve that issue.

Supposedly 20,000 public sector jobs will disappear when the quangos have to move south of the border... Where will those people find jubs

[scooterscot]

What is worrying is that there is no enterprise friendly party on the horizon so the economy will be a fight over whatever depleting wealth is left.

Only one side has produced effort in my opinion, in the white paper. The other side slogans.

What exactly is going to change if Scotland gets its independence? I am all for it because most of the Scots are approaching the whole thing from the position of being a victim. And I hate whingers. All the reasons for leaving appear to be a negative view of Westminster (even though the Scots hold the balance of power there and are disproportionally influential). .

DevoMax would have been the best offer to put to Scots. But that was blocked by Westminster, as they knew it would be popular, forcing the independence referendum. Regardless most most are now see independence as no worse than DevoMax, hence the increasing support.

We can change a lot to help poverty by having control of what the taxes of people in Scotland should not be spent on. War, foreign Aid, blotted public services to name a few and drive that cash into local communities instead.

It's utterly disgraceful reading the stories of families unable to provide the most basic necessities that most take for granted. And before you scream typical benefit scroungers, some of the worst affected by poverty in Scotland are indeed those already in employment. Don't get me started.

[DodgyAgent]

I've used both box jenkins and trigg & leach, yes overtakes no in the next 6-8 weeks.

Seems to me the more the Tory's fu$£up the stronger yes & UKIP grow.

How are the Tories f***ing you up?

[DodgyAgent]

That needs to change. Poverty is the root of many of Scotland's problems.

What exactly is going to change if Scotland gets its independence? I am all for it because most of the Scots are approaching the whole thing from the position of being a victim. And I hate whingers. All the reasons for leaving appear to be a negative view of Westminster (even though the Scots hold the balance of power there and are disproportionally influential).

What is worrying is that there is no enterprise friendly party on the horizon so the economy will be a fight over whatever depleting wealth is left.

[Troll]

Of course if we were to divide Great Britain up into cultural enclaves, then Cornwall & Devon would cede to the six fingered tribe, Yorkshire would become Yorkistan (think they started agitating for that back in the late 80's) Wales is already there ... and we effectively revert to tribal rule

[scooterscot]

Geographically there are two large Islands off the West coast of Europe Great Britain & Eire

Every other smaller Island will cling to one or the other for financial / defence purposes unless of course you have the means to go it alone

We're such an Island nation. We're part of the wonderful EU.

[eek]

Do we have to go through another five months of this? It's as exciting as the latest doings of Rutland County Council but not quite as important.

sadly yes. We then have 2 years of more pain as the bitter divorce (and it will be bitter) starts in earnest.

[GreyWolf]

Do we have to go through another five months of this? It's as exciting as the latest doings of Rutland County Council but not quite as important.

[Troll]

The argument trolls give's for Shetland not being part of Scotland, is as much valid for Scotland not being part of the UK.

Culturally very different.

Geographically there are two large Islands off the West coast of Europe Great Britain & Eire

Every other smaller Island will cling to one or the other for financial / defence purposes unless of course you have the means to go it alone

[Unix]

The Shetland argument is bogus, let's get back to the topic at hand.

Now all the Scots here, once we become wealthy and annexe England, should we make the English our butlers or what?