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Previously on "Poll: Who is to blame for the floods?"

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  • pjclarke
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    I've seen no evidence that the flooding is unprecedented, but the amount of rainfall since the New Year is off certainly the chart, which was indeed driven by a perturbed Jet Stream, which is indeed one of the predicted consequences of there being more energy in the system.

    The floods have probably been made worse by an increase in the amount of built-up areas, concreted front gardens producing more runoff, and also by poor land management - the trend towards farmers, encouraged by subsidy, grubbing up shrubs, trees, hedges and filling in ditches. Also paying inefficient hill farms to keep the hills bare and the soil compacted, by sheep. Remember when fields were smaller, with hedges, ditches and perhaps a small pond and a copse? Cutting and burning grouse moors likely adds to the problem. Not exactly 'green' policies.

    That's the flipside of a philosophy that believes land exists only to support landowners and waterways exist only "to get rid of water". Instead of a steady flow sustained around the year by trees in the hills, by sensitive farming methods, by rivers allowed to find their own course and their own level, to filter and hold back their waters through bends and braiding and obstructions, we get a cycle of flood and drought. We get filthy water and empty aquifers and huge insurance premiums and ruined carpets. And all of it at public expense.
    Drowning in money: the untold story of the crazy public spending that makes flooding inevitable | George Monbiot | Comment is free | The Guardian


    PS Where is the Met Office forecast of a dry winter? I thought they had stopped doing seasonal forecasts?

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  • SueEllen
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    Originally posted by DirtyDog View Post
    Ed Balls
    Gordon Brown you mean - it's karma for him saving the world

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  • DaveB
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    Don't forget The Gays.

    Although technically that would be the governments fault for allowing them to get married.

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  • DiscoStu
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    I blame AtW.

    Clearly SKA's crawling is having a greater impact upon climate change than we first thought.

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  • DirtyDog
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    Ed Balls

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  • scooterscot
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    Where the "Bad news is the last government fault" option?

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  • Mich the Tester
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    Originally posted by Bacchus View Post
    "Rain" also appears to be missing from the list
    It's supposed to be a conspiracy, not a force of nature!

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  • mudskipper
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    Building on floodplains has got to be daft. "Loddon Island" in Reading for example - that used to be a lake. Where's all that displaced water supposed to go?

    Just up the road from me "Swan Lake" - why would you think building houses where swans were swimming last year is a good idea?

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  • mudskipper
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    Originally posted by Troll View Post
    Thought it was Gods vengeance for legalising gay marriage ... or was that York Minster?
    WHS. Them and the onanists and fornicators.

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  • DodgyAgent
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    Winter ?

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  • Bacchus
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    Originally posted by EternalOptimist View Post
    There is no evidence to prove that the flooding is not being caused by witches.


    what an unscientific bint


    LoL

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  • EternalOptimist
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    Originally posted by Bacchus View Post
    To go with the whole quote, slingo came up with the WEAKEST argument I have heard in my puff:-



    me, me, me, it's raining so I'm right...

    there is also no evidence to refute that this has happened loads of times before, and will happen loads of times again. IT DOESN'T ******* PROVE ANYTHING.

    stupid cow*

    *actually, she's not stupid, but she should know better than this

    There is no evidence to prove that the flooding is not being caused by witches.


    what an unscientific bint

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  • Bacchus
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    Originally posted by SueEllen View Post
    but if you look at the news pictures work out how new some of the houses are.
    About the time that Fatty Prescott "decided" that it was a good idea to build on some of the land that his "friends" owned? (actually I made that up, but I would be gobsmacked if there wasn't some truth in it)

    The policy of building in the flood plains has undoubtedly increased flooding, but I don't believe that it has any bearing on the current event; this is caused by rain, and lots of it. It happens. We should learn how to deal with it, not try and decide who to blame for it.

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  • Flashman
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    Interesting reading. Truthful?

    Inside the Environment Agency - Welcome to Inside the Environment Agency

    They should have asked where all the £1200 million spent last year went. Why was only £20 m spent on maintaining ditches and culverts? Why so little on dredging? Why have dredging machines been sold off for scrap or allowed to rust without use in some places? Why did the INCREASE in the staff budget, £30m, exceed the total spend on essential maintenance
    ouch.

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  • Bacchus
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    Originally posted by CheeseSlice View Post
    SKYNews
    To go with the whole quote, slingo came up with the WEAKEST argument I have heard in my puff:-

    Originally posted by somebintwhoshouldknowbetter
    "There is no evidence to counter the basic premise that a warmer world will lead to more intense daily and hourly rain events."
    me, me, me, it's raining so I'm right...

    there is also no evidence to refute that this has happened loads of times before, and will happen loads of times again. IT DOESN'T ******* PROVE ANYTHING.

    stupid cow*

    *actually, she's not stupid, but she should know better than this

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