Reply to: NAT is kicked out from Switzerland

[mos]

It would be interesting to have some detail of how many there are and from which countries. Are they all well paid immigrants in the banking or do they suffer the droves of East European types after a free lunch?

What exactly do you mean? How can you say something so completely untrue?
All we can do in the face of such irrational accusations is to rise our eyebrows in disbelief. Stop debasing our humanity why are you doing this ?

[DodgyAgent]

Well, actually, they don't. Cuckoo clocks come from the Black Forest.

Famous for one thing and they don't even do that.

I thought they made Gateau

[Mich the Tester]

I've always put it down to a lack of volume. The prices when I've bought it have always been reasonable compared to others, although that has always been in Switzerland as I've never seen a bottle outside.

Well, Swiss wine is generally pretty good so you can't blame them if they drink most of it themselves.

[doodab]

A lot of it's very good indeed, but it's barely sold abroad due to high prices (it costs a lot of money to farm grapes on steep slopes and terraces).

Aren't vinyards usually on slopes and terraces?? No, I think it's simply a case of the amount produced. There isn't much left to export, as we drink it all here

I've always put it down to a lack of volume. The prices when I've bought it have always been reasonable compared to others, although that has always been in Switzerland as I've never seen a bottle outside.

[Mich the Tester]

Aren't vinyards usually on slopes and terraces?? No, I think it's simply a case of the amount produced. There isn't much left to export, as we drink it all here

Hmmm, not for the mass produced wines; they're usually on easy slopes. The other problem for the Swiss is that their terraces aren't long and straight, they're built to hugh a very steep slope, so they're narrow and short and allow only minimal mechanisation, if any; that makes it labour intensive, and labour is expensive in Switzerland.

[kerryhr]

A lot of it's very good indeed, but it's barely sold abroad due to high prices (it costs a lot of money to farm grapes on steep slopes and terraces).

Aren't vinyards usually on slopes and terraces?? No, I think it's simply a case of the amount produced. There isn't much left to export, as we drink it all here

[Mich the Tester]

Some of their wine isn't bad either.

A lot of it's very good indeed, but it's barely sold abroad due to high prices (it costs a lot of money to farm grapes on steep slopes and terraces).

[kerryhr]

I am four years and nine L permits into my Swiss experience. Next year I will have the pleasure of arguing with the Kreisburo about getting a C. The rules say I can have one but other people in the same situation have had to take it to the Migrationsamt to get them to overrule the Kreisburo.

It is very annoying - harder to get a flat, can't get a contract mobile, can't get a proper credit card. Non-EU are still limited to a maximum 2 years on an L then they automatically go to a B so I'm actually in a worse position than a non-EU person in some ways.

The thing I have learnt in my four years here is that there are rules and there is reality and they're not the same. Germanic efficiency my ****.

That's a bit of a bummer as it sounds like you are getting 6 month extensions. I had a dispute with the migrationsamt about getting my B some time ago.

I agree with you about the credit card, probably also about the mobile contract, but I'd check that as you've been here that long. I got my mobile contract with an L, but I had had a 12 month extension.
Not so sure about what the other guy said about car insurance though, although mine was extortionate.
But also, you can't get a years public transport ticket and pay by installments with anything less than a B, which was also a bummer as the saving is about 1/4

Anyway, the Migrationsamt don't know their own rules. I should have got my B automatically in 2003, when my contract was extended 12 months. Again in 2005. It was only when I queried the Bundesamt web site, that it clearly says there

if the foreign national is in possession of an employment contract of at least twelve months’ duration or of unlimited duration.

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/content/bfm...b_eu_efta.html.

Equally https://www.bfm.admin.ch/content/bfm...c_eu_efta.html states you get a C after 5 years. That should still apply, because any change of law relating to the referendum has not been implemented yet. However, you've dealt with the Migrationsamt so you'll know.
I called the Bundesamt, they agreed with me, but wouldn't contact the Migrationsamt themselves! I did, and gave them the name of the person I spoke to at the Bundesamt, and then I was given my B.
For the C, I just took the B down the Kreisbüro, and they knew what I was there for. The Migrationsamt simply asked about my current work position.

One possible suggestion. If your contract is likely to go on for some time, albeit 6 monthly, why not set up a GmbH and work through that? You can withdraw the 20K deposit within a couple of weeks of starting to trade.

Btw. There is no evidence in those links to support your statement that non EU's, in similar circumstances to yours (repeated 6 month contracts), get a B. If you have proof of that, might be worth showing them that too.

Good luck

Hopefully rates will go back up now for those of us with permanent residence rights. I've seen development roles, albeit through UK agencies, offering around 2/3 of what I just finished on in another role. What sort of cut must they be taking, and why aren't agencies percentages transparent? But I digress

[Sysman]

...and precision instrumentation, particle accelerators, industrial machines and some very nice salad dressing.

Thomy - French Dressing for salads

Funny how you take things for granted when they are readily available.

I'm not so keen on Thomy's mustard. I prefer proper French mustard.

And I mean French yellow mustard, as served up in a French restaurant with steak avec pommes frites, not that muck Colmans call French Mustard.

[doodab]

Thomy French dressing is an acceptable alternative if I haven't the time to make my own; that makes it the best available factory made dressing I've ever found. It's just bloody difficult to find it anywhere outside Switzerland.

Some of their wine isn't bad either.

[Mich the Tester]

They do make some lovely tools. I'd not call Thomy salad dressing nice though....

The thing is being precise is very expensive and time consuming, not what most people would call efficient at all.

Thomy French dressing is an acceptable alternative if I haven't the time to make my own; that makes it the best available factory made dressing I've ever found. It's just bloody difficult to find it anywhere outside Switzerland.

[doodab]

...and precision instrumentation, particle accelerators, industrial machines and some very nice salad dressing.

SWISSMADE.COM - Thomy - French Dressing for salads

They do make some lovely tools. I'd not call Thomy salad dressing nice though....

The thing is being precise is very expensive and time consuming, not what most people would call efficient at all.

[VectraMan]

They also make Formula 1 cars, even though motor racing is banned there. Mercedes have to make their formula 1 cars and engines in Northamptonshire.

[Troll]

The Swiss make cuckoo clocks.

Swiss made my Breitling... nuff said! also I seem to recall they made my Bosch jigsaw - but that was bought some time ago so it may have changed

[NotAllThere]

Well, actually, they don't. Cuckoo clocks come from the Black Forest. .

But the mechanisms may be Swiss.

How many German's does it take to change a lightbulb?
Only 1. We are efficient, not funny.