Reply to: De-commissioning IT Sytems in Scotland.

[EternalOptimist]

dont forget the Jocks will all have to move to Macs.
and deep fried spreadsheets

[Flashman]

I bet they still won't buy a round though.

Yeah over the course of this thread I'm starting to go off the idea. Potentially it could be a very unpleasant atmosphere after independence for English people up there aswell.

But looks like its all over bar the shouting for the SNP anyway after the BoE speech for today. Get independence, Keep the pound, so not independent then errrm.....

[darmstadt]

I remember doing an IT contract in Scotland once...

[tomtomagain]

If the business logic does not change and the UK currently outsource the system then I can see the system being partitioned and it costing a pro rata rate.

Well that's the point .... with two separate countries things would start to diverge.

Otherwise what would be the point of "independence"?

[GB9]

After all you can hardly share your secure UK network with what would then be a foreign country.

We've shared it with Bobland for the last 10 years so doubt it would be too much difficulty letting the Scots run it. In many ways they are similar to many of the Bobs I have worked with e.g. can't understand half of what they say

[Mich the Tester]

But Scotland will have all that oil money to spend so they'll be rolling in it. Or so they've been led to believe.....

I bet they still won't buy a round though.

[GreyWolf]

There are also things like National Savings and Student Loans. The vast majority of their customers are in England but they are based in Scotland for political reasons.

Whether any of their IT is still there and not in Bangalore is another matter but the administrative staff should be sacked and new ones taken on in England, Wales or NI if Nouvelle-Calédonie is established. Unless, of course, the gutless ponces at Westminster leave it up there. I suspect the gutless ponces will give away an awful lot when or if the time comes - goodwill and all that.

[minestrone]

If the business logic does not change and the UK currently outsource the system then I can see the system being partitioned and it costing a pro rata rate.

Well, in theory.

Public sector IT in Scotland is really the lowest of the low, most people with some talent work for the financials and what is left is really the dregs. If there is work on the back of this it will be a disaster.

[TykeMerc]

MoD have a very big admin centre in Glasgow, I believe it does all HR and payroll, I think it is all outsourced now though.

police and judicial systems have their own systems, same with NHS which is already split and same with education.

I get time impression that most of this stuff which is co run would be run in parallel by whatever outsourced company runs the IT now and we would chip in 10% and the UK would pay 10% less. Really I have not really seen any great deviation on how the public sector would be run really, don't think they are getting rid of VAT or NI, child support, CSA, in fact the only thing they have said that they would change would be the bedroom tax. Incredibly pointless really.

I did some work with the MOD agencies that have staff at the Glasgow center, it wouldn't be overly tricky to relocate the people there, it's basically bum on seat admin with the primary servers located elsewhere.

Faslane would be a sod of a job to move of course, but it was plonked there largely for political reasons to start with, it's a big employer and source of revenue for the area.

In the event of independence wouldn't Scotland have to set up a complete raft of systems to administer all of the public services? I can't see them being able (let alone willing) to continue to use systems and infrastructure that are part of another countries provisions except where there's shared functions like border controls and the likes.

Disentangling 2 nations/states after so long could be a pretty mind bogglingly large task, could be kerching for many years

[CheeseSlice]

But Scotland will have all that oil money to spend so they'll be rolling in it. Or so they've been led to believe.....

Its amazing what can be achieved with horizontal drilling technology nowadays

[minestrone]

Scottish / English Judicial systems are separate and presumably have different IT systems. Same with education?

MoD - Yes would need to be spilt. That would cost millions just in itself. DWP? DVLA?

Who actually owns the desktops, servers, datacentres, databases, software licences etc etc ??

MoD have a very big admin centre in Glasgow, I believe it does all HR and payroll, I think it is all outsourced now though.

police and judicial systems have their own systems, same with NHS which is already split and same with education.

I get time impression that most of this stuff which is co run would be run in parallel by whatever outsourced company runs the IT now and we would chip in 10% and the UK would pay 10% less. Really I have not really seen any great deviation on how the public sector would be run really, don't think they are getting rid of VAT or NI, child support, CSA, in fact the only thing they have said that they would change would be the bedroom tax. Incredibly pointless really.

[NotAllThere]

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Who actually owns the desktops, servers, datacentres, databases, software licences etc etc ??

Infosys, Tata, ...

[Flashman]

FTFY; they're Scots.

But Scotland will have all that oil money to spend so they'll be rolling in it. Or so they've been led to believe.....

[Flashman]

I was involved in sorting systems when Berkshire split into six unitary authorities. That was bad enough...

Throw enough contractors at the problem and it will be sorted. Eventually......

The £££ signs are racking up just thinking about it

[Flashman]

Seeing as most stuff is split already then I cant think of too much that has to be done.

Treasury and HRMC is the big one, MOD as well but really how much infrastructure will the news Scottish army need when it will probably resemble a 17th century highlander re-enactment group.

Scottish / English Judicial systems are separate and presumably have different IT systems. Same with education?

MoD - Yes would need to be spilt. That would cost millions just in itself. DWP? DVLA?

Who actually owns the desktops, servers, datacentres, databases, software licences etc etc ??