Reply to: More climate bollox

[EternalOptimist]

I thought in North America it was very cold?

It is.
And now the catastrophists have a problem. They are forced to claim that the cooling is caused by the warming.

and the warming is caused by the warming.


I suppose 'the pause' , where there is no warming or cooling, must also be caused by the warming
maybe pj has a few links

[BlasterBates]

I thought in North America it was very cold?

a bad year from the perspective of a "Warmist"...

[BrilloPad]

..ah now lets see what's in the news. Here's an interesting article.

DEMING: Another year of global cooling - Washington Times

Oh deat the year seems to have got off to a bad start...

I thought in North America it was very cold?

[BlasterBates]

..ah now lets see what's in the news. Here's an interesting article.

DEMING: Another year of global cooling - Washington Times

Oh deat the year seems to have got off to a bad start...

[pjclarke]

No, I asked for a rebuttal of Hansen's published forecast. That is somebody rebutting what he would have liked Hansen's forecast to be.

The CO 2 emissions since 2000 to about 2.5 percent per year has increased, so that we would expect according to the Hansen paper a temperature rise, which should be stronger than in model A.

is utter BS. The actual concentration trajectory was slightly below scen B. Got anything other than a farcical blog post from someone's imagination?

http://www.skepticalscience.com/simp...hansen-88.html

I thought you guys were 'sceptical;'? I'll start you off

Comparing climate projections to observations up to 2011 - IOPscience

[BlasterBates]

Here you go, the West Side Highway underwater, ahead of schedule..



And, as with the selective David Viner quote, the timescale looks to have been added by the journalist, Hansen was talking about doubled CO2 - about 560ppm which is unlikely much before 2050. But hey, it was an impromptu remark in an ancient press interview, why not look to Hansen's published work and rebut that ... it would be a first...

voila

James Hansen’s climate forecast of 1988: a whopping 150% wrong | Watts Up With That?

(I love this debate, Mother Nature wipes the floor with the climate scientists )

[pjclarke]

only 14 years to go

Here you go, the West Side Highway underwater, ahead of schedule..



And, as with the selective David Viner quote, the timescale looks to have been added by the journalist, Hansen was talking about doubled CO2 - about 560ppm which is unlikely much before 2050. But hey, it was an impromptu remark in an ancient press interview, why not look to Hansen's published work and rebut that ... it would be a first...

[EternalOptimist]

Hansen -

“The West Side Highway [which runs along the Hudson River] will be under water. And there will be tape across the windows across the street because of high winds. And the same birds won’t be there. The trees in the median strip will change.” Then he said, “There will be more police cars.” Why? “Well, you know what happens to crime when the heat goes up"

only 14 years to go

[pjclarke]

Really can't be arsed with this ..., if anybody's interested, it truly is bollox

http://www.skepticalscience.com/Hans...de-Highway.htm

[EternalOptimist]

dont forget folks

pj has predicted a 3 metre rise in sea levels by the year 2028. thats 14 years from now.

he agreed with Hansens claim that Manhatten would be under water by then

the sea had better hurry up, it's only gone up 70 mm since Hansen made his prediction

[EternalOptimist]

One thing is becoming abundantly clear.

It is only when Trenberth and the rest, and pj, start moving towards our position (however reluctantly) and start to adopt some of our thinking,

it is only then that they start to become a little bit right

[EternalOptimist]

I cited some climate Bollux.

You do understand what climate bollux means ?

[pjclarke]

I cited the datasets with the longest and shortest 'pauses'. You do understand what cherry-picking means?

[EternalOptimist]

I dont know if your last link is supposed to prove something , but here is what Trenberth said recently
(I know , I know, they keep changing the story and its difficult for one to keep up)


“The 1997 to ’98 El Niño event was a trigger for the changes in the Pacific, and I think that’s very probably the beginning of the hiatus,” says Kevin Trenberth, a climate scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR)
The hiatus - Trenberth

[EternalOptimist]

the last time I mentioned a pause, you accused me of cherry picking.

now you are cherry picking as well then.