Reply to: England owes Poland immigrant claims

[Churchill]

Aldrin.

Nice chap, a fellow Mason. Met him at Queen Street.

[hyperD]

Apparently there never was any in the first place.

If Tony Bliar was the president of the USA in the 60's, in hindsight we would have realised that if the UK was the first nation to land on the moon it would have been because of all the hard working families and the imported asylum seekers that were necessary for the space race.

Also, instead of sending dogs and monkeys up into space to test the waters, we would have ample supply of IR35 candidates, people from Islington and additional middle-class taxpayers.

[Pondlife]

Apparently it was all filmed in the Nevada desert.

See the documentary film "Capricorn One".

Excellent film!

[Clog II The Avenger]

Apparently there never was any in the first place.

The annoying litter fecker who tries to pull apart the moon photos is also the little fecker who was faking some of the 9/11 shots. He is a complete ass, either he does not have a clue about how light and shade works or he knows and tries to fool non photographically minded people. I believe that one of the astronauts decked him last year.

[Lucifer Box]

Apparently they've also lost the original footage of the moon landing.

Apparently there never was any in the first place.

[Churchill]

Americans got people and Russians got hardware and documentation - it has to be said however that Americans created Atom bomb without help of nazies, in fact its ironic that people who nazies considered sub-humans were the ones who made scientific breakthrough. But former nazies helped make ballisic missiles as well as get USA to the Moon: von Braun was head of NASA, probably the most effective one too.

If Hitler had rational policies of just being anti-communist, even if it was tactical lie for 10-20 years, then he could have indeed conquered the world - perhaps America would have stayed independent. Scary thought.

HG Wells, he's the one you can thank for the atom bomb.

[Pondlife]

Apparently NASA destroyed all the blueprints & manufacturing data for the Saturn rockets.... weird or what?

Apparently they've also lost the original footage of the moon landing.

[AtW]

One has to add that usage of dive bombers as close combat tactical support was extremely successful.

[Lucifer Box]

What?

They had worse tanks than the British?

My goodness, they must have been crap.

They were. It was the German tactics that were superior, using massed formations of armour and by-passing pockets of resistance, while the Franco-British armies scattered their tanks around as infantry support weapons. They also had a 2-1 superiority in tank numbers over the Germans. The best armed and armoured tank in the world in the period 1939-40 was French, the Char B1bis. A close second was the British Matilda and Matilda II. The mainstay of the panzer divisions in the same period was the Panzer II, a very lightly armed and armoured scout tank. The only divisions the Germans had with any punch worth mentioning were equipped with Czech Pz35t and Pz38t, manufactured by Skoda.

[hyperD]

Ah Zeity Lizard, but herein lies the first projectile vomit of history: initially Nazi/USA atomic bombs, then long range rockets, and then a rocket to take you to the moon (and back if the conspiratress theories are ignored!)

Now we have the "Shuttle" (to be honest, I would rename it as the National American Lottery), all we need now is the technology behind the Millenium Falcon and its Fusion Engine complete with magnetic shield bottle...

[AtW]

German WWII tank had petrol engines consequently when they were hit the tank burst into flames.

That's if you can penetrate their armour - which for Tigers and Panthers was very hard. Interestingly Tigers are now perceived as slow tanks, but they were not - they actually had comparable speed with tanks of their time (~40 km/h), and they could make tracks go in different directions at the same time resulting in extremely fast 180 degrees turn: unlucky enemy crews were very suprised to see them do it ...

[Clog II The Avenger]

Same in the early years of the war too, Alexei, but then the Germans had inferior tanks compared to their British and French opposites. The most reliable and advanced tanks the Germans had in 1939 were made by Skoda in Czechoslovakia. What the Germans had in the period 1939 - 1941 were superior tactics.

Some nerdy tank information.

German WWII tank had petrol engines consequently when they were hit the tank burst into flames.
The Russian Tanks ran on Diesel and had slanted turrets to deflect incoming shells.
Tanks ship from the USA to Russia had hidden gifts en-board from the American workers. Chocolate was hidden under the armour and sometimes even bottles of whisky left in the gun barrels.
The guns fitted to British Tanks were too small to penetrate other tanks so all they could do his fire at the German tank tracks.
Tanks are called Tanks because the first shipment of the secret tanks in WW I were cased up and labels as “tanks”.

[AtW]

He was unlucky to be in the wrong place in the wrong time, but he did not spot himself with war crimes and certainly reabilitated by creating peaceful space technology that helped stop the war at least once - if Americans did not have satellite photoes of Soviet missiles in Cuba then things could have become rather tempting to make first sudden nuclear strike on the USA.

[AtW]

oh I am not claiming that Nazies were on the way - all I am saying that Americans were first without nazies help because they could only get it few months before first bombs were dropped, nazies would have probably made it in 1946 if the war was kept outside of germany, something that was not possible in 1945.

[hyperD]

http://physicsweb.org/articles/world/18/6/3

To be honest AtW, having done a bit of research on the net, there is a fair amount of discrepency about whether the Nazis were on their way to discovering the secrets of the atomic bomb, or whether Oppenheimer and his "American" team found it first.

Some evidence recently released from the UK archives is as follows:

In 1992 the British government released transcripts of secretly recorded conversations between 10 German scientists who had been interned at Farm Hall near Cambridge in 1945. With the exception of Max van Laue, all the scientists - Erich Bagge, Kurt Diebner, Walther Gerlach, Otto Hahn, Paul Harteck, Werner Heisenberg, Horst Korsching, Carl Friedrich von Weizsäcker and Karl Wirtz - had been involved in the uranium project. What was most interesting was the surprise with which the scientists greeted the news that Hiroshima had been bombed. Ironically, at the end of the war German scientists had been convinced that they were ahead of the Allies in the race for nuclear energy and nuclear weapons.

Tricky one - anyone got any more info?