Reply to: Energy customers "not cash cows"

[AtW]

BBC News - Energy customers are not cash cows, says Ed Davey

Good job we didn't hand energy supply over to a cartel of multinational corporations legally compelled to maximize shareholder value then eh...

How does BBC know what he WILL say? The Minister really should focus a bit more on security to make sure news agencies report what he SAID rather than what he WILL say.

[doodab]

as opposed to a bunch of bolshy union bosses and shop stewards, determined to maximise wages at the expense of investment and regardless of customer price rises and even supply availability and reliability

I think it's safe to say that handing sole control to any vested interest is at odds with high quality service delivery and long term sustainable strategizing.

[doodab]

How am I wrong?

You said "tax payers in Scotland pay more per head then any other UK taxpayer" and they don't. While it's true they pay more than the UK average, they pay less than those in London & the SE.

[OwlHoot]

BBC News - Energy customers are not cash cows, says Ed Davey

Good job we didn't hand energy supply over to a cartel of multinational corporations legally compelled to maximize shareholder value then eh...

as opposed to a bunch of bolshy union bosses and shop stewards, determined to maximise wages at the expense of investment and regardless of customer price rises and even supply availability and reliability

[scooterscot]

I never said the south east was a country. And It was you who decided to draw a comparison between London & Scotland.



You also persist in quoting figures comparing Scotland to the UK average instead of London, rather than find data that supports your statement. The simple explanation for that is that you can't, because you are wrong. You can state facts that show something else entirely all day long, you're still going to be wrong at the end of it.

How am I wrong?

[doodab]

Since when did the south east become a country? You're comparing a densely populated region with a country.

I never said the south east was a country. And It was you who decided to draw a comparison between London & Scotland.

Why do people in London complain about subsidises to Scotland when tax payers in Scotland pay more per head then any other UK taxpayer over and above the subsidises they receive? Or is math not your strong point?

You also persist in quoting figures comparing Scotland to the UK average instead of London, rather than find data that supports your statement. The simple explanation for that is that you can't, because you are wrong. You can state facts that show something else entirely all day long, you're still going to be wrong at the end of it.

[scooterscot]

You frequently do, and it generally isn't.

You are still missing the point, which is that the article (and the ONS statistics it's based on) prove that people in London and the SE pay more tax than the Scottish.

Since when did the south east become a country? You're comparing a densely populated region with a country.

These are the facts:

“In every single one of the last 30 years, the amount of tax revenues generated per person in Scotland was greater than for the UK as a whole.”

"in 2011/12 Scotland contributed £56.9 billion in tax revenue, which is equivalent to £10,700 per person, compared to £9,000 per person for the UK as a whole"

"since 1980/81 Scotland has contributed £222 billion more in tax revenues than if it had just matched the per capita contributions of the UK."

Those are facts and are available here: Full Fact | Promoting accuracy in public debate

[doodab]

I could write anything too, it does not mean it's fact.

You frequently do, and it generally isn't.

You are still missing the point, which is that the article (and the ONS statistics it's based on) prove that people in London and the SE pay more tax than the Scottish.

[scooterscot]

All I said is that you have misunderstood the article because you have failed to understand the context in which the words were being used. It's the authors choice of words, not mine.

I happen to think that Londoncentricity of the UK economy is a problem both for London and for the UK as a whole, so please don't put words into my mouth or presume to tell me what I believe.

I could write anything too, it does not mean it's fact.

I thought this thread was about energy prices anyway,

[doodab]

You think poverty in the north is winning?

You really believe spending more money in London that serves a corner of the UK compared to the whole, is winning?

You really believe that? No wonder the larger part of the UK wants to cut off London and set it adrift.

More from the city that bankrupted a nation.

All I said is that you have misunderstood the article because you have failed to understand the context in which the words were being used. It's the authors choice of words, not mine.

I happen to think that Londoncentricity of the UK economy is a problem both for London and for the UK as a whole, so please don't put words into my mouth or presume to tell me what I believe.

[scooterscot]

You do realise that when it refers to "winners" it means "places subsidsed by London & the SE" don't you? Or did you not actually read it properly?

You think poverty in the north is winning?

You really believe spending more money in London that serves a corner of the UK compared to the whole, is winning?

You really believe that? No wonder the larger part of the UK wants to cut off London and set it adrift.

More from the city that bankrupted a nation.

[darmstadt]

If you want to talk about my rusty sheriff's badge start a new thread.

FTFY

[scooterscot]

Here is a link to the ONS "blue book" which has all the evidence you need to prove to yourself that you are talking out of your wee Scottish arse.

If you want to talk about my rusty bullet wound start a new thread.

[scooterscot]

And how many tax payers are there in Scotland

Oh so you love mass immigration?

[doodab]

It's amazing in the attachment you sent it can argue "More of us are winners than losers" considering the divide between the few rich and the many poor is at the widest it's ever been.

You do realise that when it refers to "winners" it means "places subsidsed by London & the SE" don't you? Or did you not actually read it properly?