Reply to: Grangemouth factory shuts down as Ineos turns the screw

[kal]

They should pay because they are members of the same union which pushed too far and resulted in losses to its members.



It's not reasonable to expect Ineos to continue to lose £10 mln per month, Union should have had enough brains to see that holding owner for ransom in a money losing place is totally stupid, if Ineos was making crazy profits then Union would have had a chance.

Have to laugh that the employer have told the union to basically ***** off and the reds can't back peddle enough now, do you think there is a danger of a union official losing his manufactured 100k+ a yr position for doing feck all in all of this...feel for the working man not the labour controlled leeches...

[AtW]

Why should union members who don't work for this operation pay to support the ones who work for the operation who cannot make an agreement with their own management?

They should pay because they are members of the same union which pushed too far and resulted in losses to its members.

Ineos is union busting - it commonly happens in the US but not in the UK since Thatcher's union reforms.

It's not reasonable to expect Ineos to continue to lose £10 mln per month, Union should have had enough brains to see that holding owner for ransom in a money losing place is totally stupid, if Ineos was making crazy profits then Union would have had a chance.

[DodgyAgent]

Why should union members who don't work for this operation pay to support the ones who work for the operation who cannot make an agreement with their own management?

Ineos is union busting - it commonly happens in the US but not in the UK since Thatcher's union reforms.

And what is wrong with Union busting?

[SueEllen]

Perhaps all Union members should be covering loss of earnings for those who will be paying for this gamble.

Why should union members who don't work for this operation pay to support the ones who work for the operation who cannot make an agreement with their own management?

Ineos is union busting - it commonly happens in the US but not in the UK since Thatcher's union reforms.

[AtW]

Perhaps all Union members should be covering loss of earnings for those who will be paying for this gamble.

[amcdonald]

Well you can only blame the government for so much. The unions must talks the majority of the responsibility here. They exist to protect the workers interests and they did the bleeding opposite. How thick can union members be?

Maybe unions did exist for the members in the past

Now it looks like Unions primarily exist to protect union and labour party interests anything else is incidental, much like governments exist to protect the opportunities for directorships and consultancy roles for mps in the governing party

[SueEllen]

Hence a win, win.

More votes Salmong means less labour voters, and the potential of a permanent tory government in England

Unfortunately it doesn't work like that - those Scots are smart with their votes.

[craig1]

I think the unions need to realise that they've bitten off more than they can chew with this one. The owners don't have to be re-elected, don't care about public opinion and really don't have to put in efforts to save a loss-making plant if they don't want to. The owners have made it quite clear that the unions are pointless this time, the workers either accept the new terms or go sign on down the dole office.

[scooterscot]

yes but like the religious, bad things are never Labour's fault when you talk to their followers.

Its CMD's fault he shouldn't tax the working man so much whilst giving the rich tax breaks.

And if Labour are in power its all Maggie's fault

Well you can only blame the government for so much. The unions must talks the majority of the responsibility here. They exist to protect the workers interests and they did the bleeding opposite. How thick can union members be?

[vetran]

I thought labour and unions were like pig and mud?

yes but like the religious, bad things are never Labour's fault when you talk to their followers.

Its CMD's fault he shouldn't tax the working man so much whilst giving the rich tax breaks.

And if Labour are in power its all Maggie's fault

[scooterscot]

and the potential of a permanent tory government in England

Oh those lucky bast@rds

[scooterscot]

why will Labour have lost Voters?

I thought labour and unions were like pig and mud?

[DodgyAgent]

I have been busy. I have managed to send 3000 CVs of Romanian and Bulgarian workers.

what is 80% of £6.00 per hour times 3000?

[amcdonald]

About what? Labour just lost a number of voters. Something tells me they'll not vote red or blue next time round.

Hence a win, win.

More votes Salmong means less labour voters, and the potential of a permanent tory government in England

[vetran]

About what? Labour just lost a number of voters. Something tells me they'll not vote red or blue next time round.

why will Labour have lost Voters? it happened on CMD's watch its all his fault, now if the Filthy Tories had granted Scotland Freedom 10 years ago King Alec could have fixed it.