Reply to: Delusional

[d000hg]

Unfortunately it's indefinitely so long as they're still considered insane. As soon as they manage to convince the authorities that they can safely use a spoon again, they'll be out.

If they genuinely are insane, and therefore not considered accountable for their actions, then why shouldn't they be allowed out IF they can be cured?

Not that I think this is the case I should add. Either they're playing the "what is murder?" card or just mucking about.

[Ticktock]

I was under the impression that there were by far and away enough witnesses to identify them?

If so surely any defence lawyer is just doing it for the money?

I am confused!

There can be no doubt that you were the one wot done something, yet still legitimately plead not guilty to the charge.
In this case, there is no doubt that they killed Lee Rigby, but they are pleading not guilty to the killing being murder.

As for the defence lawyer - a lawyer has a duty to defend their client to the best of their ability, so long as that does not involve them knowingly lying (amongst other restrictions). Everybody has a right to a lawyer (the whole innocent until proven guilty thing). Therefore, they have a right to a lawyer who will defend them to the best of their ability, which may involve strategies such as whether correct police procedures were followed, whether the weight of the evidence is enough, whether there may be a plea of diminished responsibility (more likely than insanity), etc.

[original PM]

I was under the impression that there were by far and away enough witnesses to identify them?

If so surely any defence lawyer is just doing it for the money?

I am confused!

[amcdonald]

By pleading not guilty they get more attention, drag out the suffering, they are not real martyrs as if they were they would have died themselves so they can get their 72 prunes

ftfy

[SimonMac]

Does killing an enemy soldier in war count as murder?

I'm guessing they'll try to argue something along those lines.

For that to be a valid argument there needs to be a legal declaration of war, strangely enough there is a lot of paperwork involved in wars!

By pleading not guilty they get more attention, drag out the suffering, they are not real martyrs as if they were they would have died themselves so they can get their 72 virgins

[amcdonald]

They could plead insanity, based on their sky fairy told them to do it

[SueEllen]

I hope they change this attitude for the firing squad

They will be kept in solitary to stop other prisoners beating the tulip out of them.

They would be lucky to be declared insane as least in Broadmoor et al they wouldn't get beaten up - unfortunately for them judges make it difficult for people to get declared insane thanks to the activities of people like Ian Brady.

[AtW]

In their first hearing they refused to co-operate with the judge.

I hope they change this attitude for the firing squad

[SueEllen]

They always wait till the day before the trial starts to plead guilty.

Their lawyers would already tell them to plead guilty.

I wonder how many defence lawyers they will go through? In their first hearing they refused to co-operate with the judge.

[saptastic]

They always wait till the day before the trial starts to plead guilty.

[Zippy]

Personal opinion, they do not think they are guilty of murder as they were carrying out, in their minds, a justifiable action. They don't recognise the law or the charge so they will believe they are not guilty.

Also allows them however many weeks of being in the spotlight while it is argued unfortunately as well.

Ah yes, the 'Gerald Ronson' (allegedly) defence. Assuming its not a case of mistaken identity, they just want a few weeks of being able to make statements in court/to the media. The Daily Wail will oblige, I'm sure.

[socialworker]

Unfortunately it's indefinitely so long as they're still considered insane. As soon as they manage to convince the authorities that they can safely use a spoon again, they'll be out.

It worked so well for Ian Brady .....
Very unlikely they will be found insane, very unlikely they are actually psychotic. Just because their behaviour is way outside the accepted norm, doesnt mean they are suffering from an actual mental illness at all. They might as well plead not guilty from their point of view. Theres a slim to vanishing chance that a jury can be convinced they did not intend to kill. There isnt exactly going to be any plea bargaining available. For most cases, being found not guilty but insane gets you far longer in prison/Broadmoor.

[alluvial]

No, I said "indefinitely" as in the adverb meaning "without any limit of time or number"

Unfortunately it's indefinitely so long as they're still considered insane. As soon as they manage to convince the authorities that they can safely use a spoon again, they'll be out.

[Wanderer]

section them to be detained indefinitely which will save a lot of time, money and grief....

So the doctors can declare them sane in a couple of years & let the bastards out again?

No, I said "indefinitely" as in the adverb meaning "without any limit of time or number"

[AtW]

Does killing an enemy soldier in war count as murder?

If that's their argument then they should be taken out and shot, it's ze war innit?