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[sasguru]

Developer IT Jobs, Average Salary for a Developer

Nowadays being average is punished. You do have to have some perceived flair or talent, even if that's presentational. People who have some technical talent, comms and presentation skills and a business head won't be on £40K, not even if they're permie. Your journeyman developer, yes, but should he be paid more anyway?

[vetran]

I don't know about that, pay seems a lot better now than it was a couple of years ago even though inflation is eating into a lot of that.

Developer IT Jobs, Average Salary for a Developer

[Old Hack]

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Terminator....

[Old Hack]

I don't know about that, pay seems a lot better now than it was a couple of years ago even though inflation is eating into a lot of that.

...plus you have more experience, meaning you're worth more.

[sasguru]

When does the T1000 come out?

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[Old Hack]

Depends on the skill - supply and demand. I reckon one of the drawbacks in this line of work is the constant retraining. As you say, eventually Bob may do stats/data science (however badly) and rates will fall.
So I'm already thinking about retraining again - to what I don't know but long term I reckon anything to do with health as the population ages.
Leveraging existing skills - that looks like epidemiology/biological computing - something along those lines.

Possibly the only post ever, that I have agreed with you: To stay ahead of the curve, you need to be able to evolve as a professional, in whatever profession you choose. I am leaning on doing similar, to be honest, but not while the niche I am is hot.

Identifying the best time to move is the key as well.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

The jobs market seems hot but the permie pay is no higher than it was 15 years ago. Which in the context of cost of living now in the UK and the buying power of the £ abroad means it pays no better than a basic admin job somewhere.

Which really means Bob now has a better standard of living in India doing the needful than he would living here.

I don't know about that, pay seems a lot better now than it was a couple of years ago even though inflation is eating into a lot of that.

[Ticktock]

that looks like epidemiology/biological computing - something along those lines.

When does the T1000 come out?

[sasguru]

The jobs market seems hot but the permie pay is no higher than it was 15 years ago. .

Depends on the skill - supply and demand. I reckon one of the drawbacks in this line of work is the constant retraining. As you say, eventually Bob may do stats/data science (however badly) and rates will fall.
So I'm already thinking about retraining again - to what I don't know but long term I reckon anything to do with health as the population ages.
Leveraging existing skills - that looks like epidemiology/biological computing - something along those lines.

[Old Hack]

The threat will always come from a developing country. The bob issue now is slipping away, as more and more better paid jobs become available in hyderabad et al, and it makes coming here and earning more less attractive. The Chinese will be next, then south east Asians.

Get yourself a niche, and you're only helping yourself.

[DimPrawn]

The jobs market seems hot but the permie pay is no higher than it was 15 years ago. Which in the context of cost of living now in the UK and the buying power of the £ abroad means it pays no better than a basic admin job somewhere.

Which really means Bob now has a better standard of living in India doing the needful than he would living here.

[sasguru]

And SQL and .NET And PHP/MYSQL - been seeing some pretty high rates for this stuff recently.

Personally I reckon only a handful of universities in India are up to scratch.
The education system is mainly about memorisation and rote-learning, not creativity and problem solving.
Obviously intelligent people will succeed whatever but the cream of Indians tends to head for the US.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

Actually thinking about this, Bob has been threatening to take over lots of stuff, but turns out he's too crap for any but the basic stuff.
I mean there are still people making a good living out of Java and C++ programming, aren't there?
Contrary to the warnings I've been hearing for about 10 years now that Bob will take all those jobs.

And SQL and .NET And PHP/MYSQL - been seeing some pretty high rates for this stuff recently.

[sasguru]

Sounds like the perfect role to go to India. Bob has statistics on his CV and a Masters and a Phd in that as well as all the other things.

Actually thinking about this, Bob has been threatening to take over lots of stuff, but turns out he's too crap for any but the basic stuff.
I mean there are still people making a good living out of Java and C++ programming, aren't there?
Contrary to the warnings I've been hearing for about 10 years now that Bob will take all those jobs.

[sasguru]

Sounds like the perfect role to go to India. Bob has statistics on his CV and a Masters and a Phd in that as well as all the other things.

It will eventually, but Bob is a little behind the curve.
Besides, one of the biggest skills is presentation of your findings at board level, and Bob cannae do that, Spock.