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Originally posted by xoggothBoris should have been Tory leader instead of the blithering Cameron.
People like Boris because he is entertaining, not because he is a leader. The tories might just as well have Jim Davidson!
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Simplistic bollox. It is possible to see Israel as a democratic country, not be anti-American and yet still be critical of the killing of large numbers of civilians.
This has always been Israel's line, that they do not purposefully target civilians, hence killing them is nothing more than unfortunate. I disagree. It is always the little people who die when Big Men are waving their willies around and shouting "Look how big it is".
But then again, it's in the nature of journalism to characterise those you disagree with in simplistic terms as one homogeneous group, and then knock them down.
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Originally posted by DundeegeorgeHe is also quite right to say that when Islamic groups strike anywhere in the world they do not give a damn about hitting civilians.
When Islamic groups strike anywhere in the world they intend to hit civilians, it's not accidental or collateral (that covers a multitude of sins, that collateral damage).
And what exactly has this destruction of Iraq achvieved, a destruction which was ordained by GW Bush because God had told him to do it?
As far as I can see US religous political fanatacism and Islamic fanatacism are two sides of the same coin, both are equally repugnant and cancerous.Last edited by AlfredJPruffock; 3 August 2006, 12:01.
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Wrong Xog, badly wrong
He is also quite right to say that when Islamic groups strike anywhere in the world they do not give a damn about hitting civilians.
When Islamic groups strike anywhere in the world they intend to hit civilians, it's not accidental or collateral (that covers a multitude of sins, that collateral damage).
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Despite appearances, very sensible chap Boris. Should have been Tory leader instead of the blithering Cameron.
Indeed, as I said a couple of days back, it is perfectly clear from the scale of the casualties that there is no deliberate targetting of civilians by Israel, as they could easily have killed tens of thousands by now.
No military expert but I would have thought that dropping a single bomb in a major commercial area or densely populated urban area of Beirut or other major town or city would kill a hundred or more almost every time. He is also quite right to say that when Islamic groups strike anywhere in the world they do not give a damn about hitting civilians.
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Originally posted by DodgyAgentHave you been reading "Clits for Dummies" SAS?
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Originally posted by sasguruSadly not.
Late Latin encliticus, from Greek enklitikos, from enklnein, to lean on : en-, on, in; see en-2 + klnein, to lean; see klei- in Indo-European Roots.]
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Sadly not.
Late Latin encliticus, from Greek enklitikos, from enklnein, to lean on : en-, on, in; see en-2 + klnein, to lean; see klei- in Indo-European Roots.]
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Originally posted by zeitghostWonderful.
I now have a new word: "enclitic".
I shall endeavour to use it incorrectly wherever possible.
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Originally posted by DodgyAgentDA in "Going for 100 postings thread" mode
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Thank you Boris
In the telegraph today Boris Johnson argues eloquently about the moralities of killing children/civilians in war. Forget the stuff about Mel Gibson (the famous presenter of that well known documentary "Braveheart" and his struggle to come to terms with his support for the Iraq war, here are the good bits:
Of course anti-Americanism wins votes, especially if, like Jack Straw, you have a seat with a lot of Muslims. But show me how it works, this proposed spanking new "independent" British policy on Israel? Presumably we join France and Germany in their vapourings. Presumably we join the European Commission in encouraging the pouring of further squillions down the gullets of the brutal and corrupt Palestinian government.
Then what? Then nothing. The real problem in the region is not Israel, but what it represents to the Islamicists who surround it. The difference between Israel and her neighbours is that Israel is a capitalist democracy, with all the freedom and tawdriness that entails. They don't give a monkey's in Teheran about the fate of the poor Palestinians. Israel incarnates everything the mullahs hate, not least the spectacle of liberated womanhood that they find so appalling and so shamingly tempting.
Israel provides a focus for the resentment of a Muslim civilisation that finds itself materially and intellectually humiliated by the achievements of America and the West. Indeed, Israel provides a convenient proxy target for people in this country who loathe the Yo-Blair way America bosses us around, and who resent our enclitic status: not so much the parrot on America's shoulder as the monkey in the pocket of an organ-grinder who is himself controlled by a vast Zionist conspiracy.
Well, let me remind Mel and all his secret British sympathisers of two last differences between Israel and the Islamicists. Whatever the hideous shambles of the past few days, it is still true, in principle, that when Israeli rockets kill civilians, they have missed their targets, and that when Hizbollah rockets kill civilians, they have scored a deliberate hit.
That is a moral difference that needs to be dinned into the skull of every saloon-bar strategist currently denouncing Israel. Finally, Mel, if you want to get wasted on tequilas and sheilas, you're much better off in Tel Aviv than Teheran.
Boris Johnson is MP for Henley
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m...ixopinion.html
DA in "Going for 100 postings thread" modeLast edited by DodgyAgent; 3 August 2006, 08:50.Tags: None
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