Reply to: Clever CUKkers

[DodgyAgent]

Now that sas has admitted he's actually not that clever, I was thinking about who on CUK comes across as being bright.

My shortlist:

NickFitz (obv)
MTT
Old Greg
Zippy

All of them are (or appear to be) what dodgy would dismiss as 'lefties'.

So are the lefties cleverer than righties? Or do my leftie inclinations skew my judgement?

I like to think I have very high levels of emotional intelligence but on all other matters involving intellect I am a bit of a thicko



As for lefties/righties I am not sure your selected group would fall into either category.

[Mich the Tester]

Sociopath, borderline psychopath?

WHS and I think some are more than 'borderline' psychopath.

[northernladyuk]

I think you have the title as smartest shemale on the site, which is ironic given the mess the op left you in down there its anything but smart and tidy!

And that's why you always pay The Lady that little bit extra.

[SimonMac]

Don't forget us ladies!

I think you have the title as smartest shemale on the site, which is ironic given the mess the op left you in down there its anything but smart and tidy!

[Zippy]

And don't forget Faqqer.

+1

[sasguru]

Caring about people and being intelligent are totally separate things. You could be a certified genius but not give two hoots about your family.

Although the person who marries such a person and has a family with them is perhaps the dim one in this scenario

I think you're confusing being clever with being intelligent. Academics are usually very clever, quite often they can be unintelligent. I think IQ tests should be renamed CQ tests, since that is what they narrowly measure.

[d000hg]

But if academics condemn their families to live on the pittances they earn purely because they have fun using their brains, maybe they're being selfish rather than smart or intelligent?

Caring about people and being intelligent are totally separate things. You could be a certified genius but not give two hoots about your family.

Although the person who marries such a person and has a family with them is perhaps the dim one in this scenario

[sasguru]

Well, I don't think your criteria of 'rich without doing much' really covers it; I know a couple of people from school who live in great luxury but who are dim. They inherited what they describe as 'half a county of farmland' and live off the rental proceeds after their father very wisely appointed a farm manager and gave the two young chaps meaningless but important sounding positions in the family business. Very nice chaps in their own way, but unfathomably dim and neither would be able to earn an income or manage a simple one room, one person household, never mind an estate. Are they clever? I don't think so but I think their father very charitably and perceptively ensured that their wives and kids won't have to suffer from their lack of brainpower.

But maybe they're outliers.

Maybe you should be in the fick thread, you seem to have lost the point of this one
So there are some rich but dim types in the world, what's your point exactly?
We were discussing what intelligence is AFAIK - and finding it quite hard to pin down, IMO.

[Mich the Tester]

So to summarise you're rich (in your terms) and don't do very much. What's your point?

Well, I don't think your criteria of 'rich without doing much' really covers it; I know a couple of people from school who live in great luxury but who are dim. They inherited what they describe as 'half a county of farmland' and live off the rental proceeds after their father very wisely appointed a farm manager and gave the two young chaps meaningless but important sounding positions in the family business. Very nice chaps in their own way, but unfathomably dim and neither would be able to earn an income or manage a simple one room, one person household, never mind an estate. Are they clever? I don't think so but I think their father very charitably and perceptively ensured that their wives and kids won't have to suffer from their lack of brainpower.

But maybe they're outliers.

[sasguru]

People who chase wealth will never be happy as there is always someone wealthier than you and while you are chasing the illusion of happiness being found in wealth, your life will pass you buy. I have a few friends who like to display the illusion of wealth by buying the most expensive care they can afford, drinking in the most expensive bars, while having to make sacrifices in other areas of their lives and being unable to save for the future. I suspect it is these people who end up depressed as they are unable to reach the unrealistic aspirations they have set themselves.

Well clearly chasing wealth for its own sake is not very intelligent.
As is accepting genteel relative poverty when you can do better, thus severely limiting your choices.*

*it should be said that it's different if you're single - I think if you have a family your choices should reflect your obligations to them.

[Mich the Tester]

People who chase wealth will never be happy as there is always someone wealthier than you and while you are chasing the illusion of happiness being found in wealth, your life will pass you buy. I have a few friends who like to display the illusion of wealth by buying the most expensive care they can afford, drinking in the most expensive bars, while having to make sacrifices in other areas of their lives and being unable to save for the future. I suspect it is these people who end up depressed as they are unable to reach the unrealistic aspirations they have set themselves.

Financially I'm OK and happy enough, but I need something to strive for; sport provides that for me. It's also realistic as I am physically stronger than I am cunning.

[RedSauce]

That's an interesting argument since we are discussing intelligence.
The fact is alumni of private schools (not grammar schools) dominate the top of virtually all professions/sports/firms/public bodies in this country.
So obviously academic intelligence is not the most important thing to get to the top?

I think it depends on the private school, I suspect there are an elite few schools who farm the industry leaders, but there are probably hundreds of other private schools whose alumni are only marginally more successful than their counterparts at state-schools.

[RedSauce]

Well, that perhaps depends on your own experience of the word 'rich'. Personally I harbour the illusion (or delusion) that we are fabulously rich; in material terms we have a comfortable home that is very nearly paid off, we have two cars that fit our taste and needs well, a couple of very good racing bicycles and all the comforts of a modern house. We take holidays at least once a year in some fascinating and exotic places, and we can go out for dinner pretty much wherever or whenever we choose. OK, so there are some people who could (and do) buy several new Bentleys as opposed to second hand jags and fiats. Some people live in palaces and some fly around the world in private jets and stay in presidential suites instead of the standard rooms in smart hotels, but I have no reason to be envious of them as the real comfort and pleasure offered by these things is subject to the law of diminishing returns. In the less material sense, we live close to some beautiful scenery, some excellent art galleries and theatres and towns where life is very pleasant. Plus, our neighbourhood is comfortable and relatively free of crime. However, we both work a lot to pay for all this, but neither of us does work that's particularly taxing or that will make us cripples in old age. We could both work more hours or take the risk of investing in a business that might make us very 'rich', but why would we do that if it's unlikely to add much to our general level of enjoyment?

People who chase wealth will never be happy as there is always someone wealthier than you and while you are chasing the illusion of happiness being found in wealth, your life will pass you buy. I have a few friends who like to display the illusion of wealth by buying the most expensive care they can afford, drinking in the most expensive bars, while having to make sacrifices in other areas of their lives and being unable to save for the future. I suspect it is these people who end up depressed as they are unable to reach the unrealistic aspirations they have set themselves.

[sasguru]

Private schools on the other hand don't guarantee the intelligence of the pupils as if there are entrance exams they are generally easier (in my experience) than the grammars and having wealthy parents does not guarantee intelligence.

That's an interesting argument since we are discussing intelligence.
The fact is alumni of private schools (not grammar schools) dominate the top of virtually all professions/sports/firms/public bodies in this country.
So obviously academic intelligence is not the most important thing to get to the top?

[Mich the Tester]

The Office of Tony Blair

He always gives me the impression that he really wants people to like him. It's rather like a Greek tragedy.