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[cojak]

It does make a change from some of the wild-eyed loonies that post.

No throwing things at the back, you know who you are...

[cojak]

Welcome Sinbad!

Serious with a sense of humour... just what we need around here...

[diplomat]

Well its almost as if Israel owns the US. But that would be stupid. Wouldnt it?

They do! And here's the proof.


Occupied Jerusalem: 3
October, 2001 (IAP) --

According to Israel radio (in Hebrew) Kol Yisrael, [Shimon] Peres warned [Ariel] Sharon Wednesday that refusing to heed incessant American requests for a cease-fire with the Palestinians would endanger Israeli interests and "turn the US against us."

At this point, a furious Sharon reportedly turned toward Peres, saying "every
time we do something you tell me Americans will do this and will do that. I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it."

[Jabberwocky]

... the Oiligarchy ...

What about pygmy ?

[MarillionFan]

Well its almost as if Israel owns the US. But that would be stupid. Wouldnt it?

[Joshua Hallelujah Booker]

Pity that the West did not pursue a more even handed approach before this happened. I'm afraid the Arab view of the UN as dominated by friends of Israel is wholly accurate. Unless we provide some workable alternatives we are never likely to tempt anyone out of terrorism.

That said, the idea that Israel is deliberately bent on maximum destruction is not supported by the facts. Some military analysts place Israel as the world's third military power. If they were bent on destruction there would now be many tens of thousands of casualties in Lebanon not low hundreds.

[mrdonuts]

and what the **** does a fat liverpudlian window cleaner know about middle east politics ? **** all obviously

[Fungus]

Just remember that Bush has little time left in power and that whoever takes over will want to scale back the war commitment in Iraq, especially if a democrat gets in to the white house. The Iranians are very clever, they will not want a confrontation with the USA but nor will the USA risk another Vitnam. Iran will continue to attack the false American regime in Baghdad through its insurgency army in order to return power to the people of Iraq.
The Americans will without doubt be eventually forced into a humiliating retreat from Iraq.

after that their influence in the world will diminish and Israel and Saudi will become exposed. It is not a question of whether the evil Americans will be driven out of the middle East it is just a question of when.

I can see the Israeli population abandoning their country and being relocated to Alaska that of course depends upon whether they will be allowed to leave by the arabs

The Israelis will never leave Israel. Many were born their, and it is their home. They won the country by armed conflict, and that is how they will keep it. Anyone who thinks that they will get rid of them is a fool, or ignorant. (Talk with Israelis and see.)

I also disagree that America will allow Iran to take Iraq as the consequences would be horrific. Do you seriously think they would allow that? Even President Carter, a liberal moderate, said that he would wage war on any country that threatened the oil supply. That attitude is central to the US philosophy.

[Sinbad]

I don't see the American administration allowing Iran to take over Iraq, although it could be argued that the American people will revolt, leading to the withdrawal of US troops. I would have thought that the consequences would be so awful, that no administration would allow that to happen.

Just remember that Bush has little time left in power and that whoever takes over will want to scale back the war commitment in Iraq, especially if a democrat gets in to the white house. The Iranians are very clever, they will not want a confrontation with the USA but nor will the USA risk another Vitnam. Iran will continue to attack the false American regime in Baghdad through its insurgency army in order to return power to the people of Iraq.
The Americans will without doubt be eventually forced into a humiliating retreat from Iraq.

after that their influence in the world will diminish and Israel and Saudi will become exposed. It is not a question of whether the evil Americans will be driven out of the middle East it is just a question of when.

I can see the Israeli population abandoning their country and being relocated to Alaska that of course depends upon whether they will be allowed to leave by the arabs

[Fungus]

As a muslim contractor who doesnt take himself too seriously I am however appalled at what is happening in the middle east. The Israelis are bent upon a path of destruction that will inevitably lead to their own downfall as their neighbours unite against them. The question is will the West intervene when Iran eventually takes over Iraq (as it must surely do) to defend Israel when it finds that it no longer has superior military firepower?

Interesting. Either the Americans want to keep their oil supplies or they want to keep Israel. Which will it be?

I don't see the American administration allowing Iran to take over Iraq, although it could be argued that the American people will revolt, leading to the withdrawal of US troops. I would have thought that the consequences would be so awful, that no administration would allow that to happen.

[Sinbad]

Perhaps the reason that the Saudis have been so unusually critical of this conflict is that it could ignite an uprising in their own turf, as for buying off Iran that is easier said than done given the Saudis bankrolled Iraq in the Iraq Iran War.

Who is to really gain from the turmoil in the Middle East?

When I apply qui bonum it seems the Oil and the Arms industry are racing ahead, humanity once again dumped broken and lifeless on the floor.

The Saudis will not survive for much longer Mr Alf, and good riddance I say. The middle East needs a strong powerful challenger to Europe, Russia and especially the USA. Iran is perfectly placed to fill that requirement. I respect what you say Alf but oil and arms are commodities that are used to obtain power, and with an even balance of power in the world humanity can once again thrive.

[Clog II The Avenger]

The Israelis are bent upon a path of destruction that will inevitably lead to their own downfall as their neighbours unite against them.

They never have done and I think they never will.
Even the Arabs treat the Palestinians as “Not in my own back yard”

The question is will the West intervene when Iran eventually takes over Iraq (as it must surely do) to defend Israel when it finds that it no longer has superior military firepower?
I doubt if that is Iran’s’ intention, you need to read the intelligence reports by the FSB. The Iraq war is by proxy.

Interesting. Either the Americans want to keep their oil supplies or they want to keep Israel. Which will it be?
Both as it has been in the past.

[AlfredJPruffock]

Time will indeed tell. The Saudi dynasty will need to buy off Iran as well as Al Quaeda. I think you will see the Saudi regime collapse alongside Israel.

Perhaps the reason that the Saudis have been so unusually critical of this conflict is that it could ignite an uprising in their own turf, as for buying off Iran that is easier said than done given the Saudis bankrolled Iraq in the Iraq Iran War.

Who is to really gain from the turmoil in the Middle East?

When I apply qui bonum it seems the Oil and the Arms industry are racing ahead, humanity once again dumped broken and lifeless on the floor.

[Sinbad]

Interesting question,I did pose a similar question last week as to whether Washington would follow the demands of Tel Aviv or Riyahd given the unusual vocal complaints from Saudi Arabia ... for my money I would have thought the Oiligarchy must give the Saudis preference given the latters leaverage of the US economy and the Global Oil industry.

Time Will Tell.

Time will indeed tell. The Saudi dynasty will need to buy off Iran as well as Al Quaeda. I think you will see the Saudi regime collapse alongside Israel.

[NickIT]

Ray Harryhausen - genius!