Reply to: Miranda nonsense

[AtW]

Will it help if I upload a photo of myself? Or how about if I threaten to start suing?

I liked Gentile

Her only fault in my view was that her posts were way too long - this is what made most of people hate her...

[Ticktock]

After sleeping on it I've come to conclusion that you ARE Gentile.

MODS!!!!

Will it help if I upload a photo of myself? Or how about if I threaten to start suing?

Actually, after sleeping on it I've come to the uncomfortable conclusion that I may be the love-child of Gentile and sasguru. Long posts, with an almost autistic level of attention paid to analysing the facts without regard to "rights and wrongs". Shall I call you a cretin now?

I feel dirty.

[AtW]

It would be considerably worse than a 9 our talking to in the back room of an airport.

WHS

9 bullets in the back of the head whilst Miranda was "trying to escape" in transit zone.

That's the headline we could have seen...

[AtW]

I feel like Gentile with the length of that post...

After sleeping on it I've come to conclusion that you ARE Gentile.

MODS!!!!

[minestrone]

Our security services are engaged in a pretty dirty war on many fronts globally, possibly Miranda and his little gaggle of supporters want to imagine what would happen if he was caught as part of a ploy to undermine the opposition security services. It would be considerably worse than a 9 our talking to in the back room of an airport.

[EternalOptimist]

I feel like Gentile with the length of that post...

yep.
On the telly, and in the filums, the plod always get a clue, then they follow the lead. Then they get the answer, then they act.
In real life. The plod think they have the answer, then they say 'right. what can we get him under'

If it wasnt for the fact that most of us are not saints, it would be a travesty

[AtW]

What it basically shows, is that the terrorists, whomever they are, are winning the war on terror

Terrorists are laughing all the way to heaven...

[AtW]

If you mean everyone should be detained for the same period

Nobody should be forced or threatened to self-incriminate themselves, and laws designed for one purpose should not be used for totally different matter that isn't even UKs business.

[darmstadt]

I don't mind detention per se.

What I mind is trying to force answers from detained person saying that they got no right NOT to answer, that's total BS, especially preventing person's lawyer from being present. Does not matter if some law allows it - it's a totally wrong law.

All this tulip is done under the convenient cover of terrorism and that's totally wrong.

What it basically shows, is that the terrorists, whomever they are, are winning the war on terror

[AtW]

Schedule 7 of this act is only relevent to the conditions under which someone can be stopped within a port. Schedule 7 says that he could stopped, and detained for up to 9 hours (maximum) without charge.

I don't mind detention per se.

What I mind is trying to force answers from detained person saying that they got no right NOT to answer, that's total BS, especially preventing person's lawyer from being present. Does not matter if some law allows it - it's a totally wrong law.

All this tulip is done under the convenient cover of terrorism and that's totally wrong.

[darmstadt]

UK security services in chaos after British agents discover existence of sinister ‘USB sticks’

[Ticktock]

Laws should be same for everybody - some suspected child murderer in mainland UK should not have more rights than some chap who is merely passing Heathrow in transit zone.

You're mixing a few points here. You are quoting different suspected offences, and different locations for detention. Is your complaint about the treatment based on where he was detained, or the offence he was detained for?

Schedule 7 of this act is only relevent to the conditions under which someone can be stopped within a port. Schedule 7 says that he could stopped, and detained for up to 9 hours (maximum) without charge. The maximum pre-charge detention period for non-terrorist related offences is 4 days. Therefore he is better off than "some suspected child murderer in mainland UK", not worse off, in terms of how long he can be stopped and detained for, and this is based on the location.

Schedule 8 details the terms of that detention. Schedule 8 applies whether you are detained at a port, in a city centre, in the middle of a field, or anywhere else. The conditions of detention will be the same, wherever you are detained, under this Act. Therefore, for this Act, it does not matter whether you are "passing Heathrow in transit zone", or sitting in a pub in "mainland UK", you are treated equally, and this is based on the offence you are suspected of having committed.

Are you arguing that suspects of terrorist related activities should be treated the same as suspects of non-terrorist related activities, or that people detained in ports should be treated the same as people detained elsewhere?
Either you want terror-related suspects to be treated more leniently that at present, or you want people detained at ports to be held for 4 days instead of 9 hours. If you mean everyone should be detained for the same period, no matter what the offence, then you are advocating pre-charge detainment for public order offences (e.g. Section 10 of the Public Order act, the new Drunk & Disorderly charge) to be the same period as pre-charge detainment periods for plotting to plant a bomb.

I feel like Gentile with the length of that post...

[BrilloPad]

A theory espoused by inferior short-arses, couldn't disagree more.

Are you suggesting intelligence is linked to height? I suppose with sasguru being a dwarf you might be right.....

[Churchill]

Quite right too! Churchill - wouldn't you agree?

A theory espoused by inferior short-arses, couldn't disagree more.

[BrilloPad]

A press photographer famously got arrested for being too tall

Quite right too! Churchill - wouldn't you agree?