Reply to: £250m super prison to create 1,000 jobs in north Wales

[vetran]

I mean %-tage of teachers among prisoners.

Offer them a few years off the term if they teach well and things will look up.

They already do this via the trustee system, Lord Archer ran lessons in some of the prisons he attended.

This is interesting:

Top 10 Most Notorious Prisons In The U.S. | Breaking News for Black America

Rikers = 14,000 on remand or < 1 year sentence, 8,000 officers

[AtW]

They already get loads of holidays.

Even convicted teachers?

A more creative (and cheaper to taxpayer) management of prisons is well overdue - guards could be tough cons who'd have much nicer time if they obey some simple rules during their guard duty.

External perimeter - fully automated gun turrets.

[doodab]

Offer them a few years off the term if they teach well and things will look up.

They already get loads of holidays.

[AtW]

pretty good for abduction thankfully.

I mean %-tage of teachers among prisoners.

Offer them a few years off the term if they teach well and things will look up.

[vetran]

What's the current teacher conviction rate?

pretty good for abduction thankfully.

[AtW]

key thing is you can have 5 teachers covering 2000 people rather than 1 teacher struggling to cover 200 in a normal prison.

What's the current teacher conviction rate?

[vetran]

What about library, education and laundry?

different time slots?

trolley based library as seen on tv?

Classroom in secure area in Prison but shared staff & resources

secure prisoners get their washing delivered?

key thing is you can have 5 teachers covering 2000 people rather than 1 teacher struggling to cover 200 in a normal prison.

[AtW]

The Kitchen is shared, not the Dining room.

What about library, education and laundry?

[vetran]

Indeed.

The majority who is in open/remand prison mixing with armed robbers, mass murderers and tax avoiders during lunch hour - what can go wrong? This should cut down reoffending rates among certain category of prisoners even if at expense of more crime inside prison

The Kitchen is shared, not the Dining room.

[AtW]

So you have say 200 in high security for armed robbers, mass murders and council tax avoiders etc, 100 nonces, 400 medium class and 1300 in an open / remand prison. But you have one kitchen, library, education and laundry shared among the prison camps.

It makes a lot of sense

Indeed.

The majority who is in open/remand prison mixing with armed robbers, mass murderers and tax avoiders during lunch hour - what can go wrong? This should cut down reoffending rates among certain category of prisoners even if at expense of more crime inside prison

[vetran]

How can visiting be easier if it is in North Wales. If it was in the middle of the country then surely its closer to more people than if its stuck in Wales.

I think they are suggesting that a high proportion of prisoners from the area will be moved from different class prisons.

They were talking about this the other day on the radio, you have multiple prisons in a satellite style and a central shared service area. So you have say 200 in high security for armed robbers, mass murders and council tax avoiders etc, 100 nonces, 400 medium class and 1300 in an open / remand prison. But you have one kitchen, library, education and laundry shared among the prison camps.

It makes a lot of sense if done well, you can migrate the prisoners between classes preserving the relationship the officers have built up. You can concentrate Education and release allowing a lower re-offending rate. Plus of course staffing rosters etc could be much easier.

AIUI The cost of keeping a prisoner in an open prison is far lower than say Broadmoor so of the £23M 50% may well go in the really nasty prisoners.

[AtW]

How can visiting be easier if it is in North Wales. If it was in the middle of the country then surely its closer to more people than if its stuck in Wales.

Makes sense if mainly Welsh people will be put in prison there - zeity's free roaming days are almost over

Also, they might have airport style machines to check visitors - much easier than the old more intrusive method...

[BoredBloke]

How can visiting be easier if it is in North Wales. If it was in the middle of the country then surely its closer to more people than if its stuck in Wales.

[AtW]

No, I mean the 1,000 jobs will break down as....

Why did they not count prisoners as doing work at least 7.5 hours a day?

[SimonMac]

I am pretty sure £250 mln will be spent for real.

No, I mean the 1,000 jobs will break down as....