Ch4 last night

[EternalOptimist]

How many deaths a year from climate not changing? The climate is SUPPOSED to change. How many deaths from every heatwave, winter, tropical storm, etc... would you like us to stop those too? Perhaps wall the whole planet under a giant roof to escape the dangerous outside?

The UK typically has 25k excess deaths during the winter, during a heatwave there are about 1k excess deaths.

1/200 th of a degree centigrade by 2100 equates to some old dear gettting a mild sweat

[d000hg]

The WHO estimates 300K deaths/year from climate change already, every economic study (Stern, Garnaut, Yohe et al) concludes that benefits outweigh costs by around 4:1.

HTH.

How many deaths a year from climate not changing? The climate is SUPPOSED to change. How many deaths from every heatwave, winter, tropical storm, etc... would you like us to stop those too? Perhaps wall the whole planet under a giant roof to escape the dangerous outside?

[Paddy]

I watched a video of Al Gore being cross-examined by Congress. He admitted being involved in Enron and Goldmansacs to organise the possibility of carbon trading prior to making hockey stick seminar.

[EternalOptimist]

How do you measure whether a death is due to climate change?

Furthermore with the world becoming more crowded is this not natures way of correcting problems?

we had 30,000 excess deaths due to the cold this winter (up 5,000)

and these eejits want to cool us down even more

[EternalOptimist]

I did not ignore the benefits. I was quite clear. Categoric in fact

1/200 th of one degree centigrade by the end of the century.


bargain!

[DodgyAgent]

Au contraire, I am suggesting it IS a lot of money thus I want to know how the number was conjured up ... deniers have a habit of chucking in all the costs they can think (e.g. the entire NASA satellie budget as 'global warming' spending) of while ignoring the benefits. But I don't expect an answer, that would require research beyond Google and YouTube.

The WHO estimates 300K deaths/year from climate change already, every economic study (Stern, Garnaut, Yohe et al) concludes that benefits outweigh costs by around 4:1.

HTH.

How do you measure whether a death is due to climate change?

Furthermore with the world becoming more crowded is this not natures way of correcting problems?

[pjclarke]

Au contraire, I am suggesting it IS a lot of money thus I want to know how the number was conjured up ... deniers have a habit of chucking in all the costs they can think (e.g. the entire NASA satellie budget as 'global warming' spending) of while ignoring the benefits. But I don't expect an answer, that would require research beyond Google and YouTube.

The WHO estimates 300K deaths/year from climate change already, every economic study (Stern, Garnaut, Yohe et al) concludes that benefits outweigh costs by around 4:1.

HTH.

[EternalOptimist]

at pj


apparently we can't predict spending 87 years out but we CAN predict the climate. ???whaaat.


In my world, we can see what we have committed to in financial terms, and we can see that temperatures are flat lining.
i.e. we are spending all that money for NOTHING.

[d000hg]

- A breakdown of what is included in the £22bn - which is equivalent to about half the defence budget.

Are you suggesting that because it's only half the defense budget, it's not a lot of money?!

- The financial benefits of stabilising temperatures, the costs of doing nothing.

None and none?

[pjclarke]

We can predict spending 87 years ahead now? I guess that nobody disputed the numbers cos they're meaningless BS. I look forward to:

- A breakdown of what is included in the £22bn - which is equivalent to about half the defence budget.

- The reduction in the rate of change in global temperatures if all countries reduced emission by the same proportion and

- The financial benefits of stabilising temperatures, the costs of doing nothing.


Bit of a Straw Man no? The costs of the Montreal Protocols for each country were large in proportion to the reductions in CFCs per country, but nobody attempted that calculation to my knowledge, as it doesn't really mean anything.

[DimPrawn]

I blame Thatcher.

Global Warming loon she was.

[EternalOptimist]

Global warming thread

'The UK will spend £22 billion each and every year, till the end of the century, in order to reduce temperatures by 1/200th of 1 degree c'

Alarmists response - they did not dispute that figure


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