Reply to: Panorama Mission Accomplished? Secrets of Helmand

[doodab]

Democracy needs to develop under it's own power. If it's imposed by an external force it's just a different form of tyranny.

[SupremeSpod]

Sounds like it's become quite Americanized.

I saw what you did there.

[Ignis Fatuus]

Just watched that... Probably on iPlayer soon. News story with a short clip is here.

The full program contains some seriously depressing stuff. Police openly growing and smoking marijuana, off their heads after shooting up heroin, firing their guns randomly, selling the fortified defences for scrap metal, kidnapping, extortion, sexually abusing children (and shooting them when they try to escape).

As with Iraq, you have to wonder if the country has become a better place since we sent troops in there to kill, and be killed.

Sounds like it's become quite Americanized.

[shaunbhoy]

Tunisia is ruled by a one handed lesbian ?

Wow! How very avant garde!!!

[MyUserName]

If you were to ask them I think they'd profess otherwise.

They would probably say it does not matter, their religion transcends their nationality.

[SupremeSpod]

Of which a growing number are British...

If you were to ask them I think they'd profess otherwise.

[amcdonald]

No, I mean the steady increase in terrorist attacks that can be placed firmly at the feet of Islamic mentalists.

Of which a growing number are British...

[sasguru]

You mean the inevitable civil war in the UK ?

Why is civil war inevitable in the Uk?

[SupremeSpod]

You mean the inevitable civil war in the UK ?

No, I mean the steady increase in terrorist attacks that can be placed firmly at the feet of Islamic mentalists.

[amcdonald]

There is a school of thought that by taking the battle to them on their streets we're helping to keep the unpleasantness from our streets.

However, personally I think we're only delaying the inevitable.

You mean the inevitable civil war in the UK ?

[amcdonald]

For a reason. I don't believe the situation in Tunisia is derived from 2 opposed factions that have been kept in line by an iron hand in a velvet glove.

Tunisia is ruled by a one handed lesbian ?

[DodgyAgent]

Wasn't there a cross-party consensus in favour of the war(s)?

There was and I am pretty sure that the Tories would have done the same thing.

[sasguru]

It was our democratic system that voted him in so we are all responsible especially all the leftie tw*ts that voted labour

Wasn't there a cross-party consensus in favour of the war(s)?

[d000hg]

It was our democratic system that voted him in so we are all responsible especially all the leftie tw*ts that voted labour

Sure, of course.

[darmstadt]

It was our democratic system that voted him in so we are all responsible especially all the leftie tw*ts that voted labour

You mean those Conservatives who were dissatisified with the ruling majority at the time. In the 1997 general election there was a massive swing to Labour and a massive loss for the Tories. Things went a bit down in 2001 and even worse in 2005 as the Tories who had voted him realised that he was in fact a Tory, albeit under a different name, so switched their allegiance back to the Conservative Party as there was really very little difference between the two.