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[formant]

His missus is a GP. It's quite sweet really.

That explains a lot.

[mudskipper]

You sound like you really wanted to make it into medicine but didn't and since put the profession on a pedestal.

His missus is a GP. It's quite sweet really.

[formant]

Good for you.

I'm sorry I cannot give you a prescription pad though, if it were up to me you would be first in line for it.

I would honestly forget you have not got to the top level of your school, gone through 5 years of medical school, 100 hour weeks on wards, nor the trainee role, RGCP validation or revalidation.

You are the expert here, not me.

You sound like you really wanted to make it into medicine but didn't and since put the profession on a pedestal.

I've gotten to the top level of my class, had no interest in medicine, went through more degrees and more years of education than your average GP to specialise in something else, and yet somehow I don't get my panties tied in a knot when some layperson second guesses my work. Nah, I consider the their input, see what I can do, and if not explain elaborately why what they think works doesn't.

You also seem to assume that completing the mandatory training for your profession guarantees that you'll be a flawless practitioner.

So, do you actually hold the view that all anecdotal as well as proven stories of medical malpractice or negligence out there must by default be made up?

[minestrone]

As it stands, I happen to be a big fan of vaccinations.

Good for you.

I'm sorry I cannot give you a prescription pad though, if it were up to me you would be first in line for it.

I would honestly forget you have not got to the top level of your school, gone through 5 years of medical school, 100 hour weeks on wards, nor the trainee role, RGCP validation or revalidation.

You are the expert here, not me.

[formant]

It is cretins like yourself that have seen measles cases spike in the last few years.

As it stands, I happen to be a big fan of vaccinations. You seem to be confusing valid circumstantial scepticism with questioning decades of sound research and development. I don't even do much of the latter in my own specialism, let alone someone else's.

[vetran]

He said it was unsafe after a trial of 12 patients.

I read it correctly was just trying to inject some humour. He may have been a fruit bat but he was a highly qualified & respected fruit bat when he said it.

my other points?

[minestrone]

He said it was unsafe after a trial of 12 patients.

[vetran]

He was a fruit bat who bribed children to give blood samples at a birthday party and made up claims against a drug that was and has been proven to be safe based on his research done on 12 patients.

I still cannot believe that people are still arguing that MMR is not safe.

what proven safe after being tested on 12 patients? seriously though there are side effects to every drug we need to know that and assume the worst then prove otherwise. Medically AIUI there is little advantage to the combined jab, its just convenience and risk of misuse.


It was a cost saving exercise, they blackened his name instantly, they pulled the choice of single vaccines etc. It smelt dreadfully.

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I can't believe that people believed X-Rays were safe for so long, now nobody takes X-Ray's. When I was a kid I got one every time I went to the dentist or hospital. Of course evidence gathered over a mere hundred years suggests X-Ray's are a bit dodgy when mis-used. The experts in the medical profession have only just restricted it?

http://www.liv.ac.uk/media/livacuk/r...ray_Safety.pdf

Just how safe are X-rays at the dentist? | Mail Online

If you ask a dentist if its necessary to have an x-ray, he/she will always say YES!! and will also say "the quantity of radiation used if very small and is harmless" - yes, I have had this said to me more than once. If you try to argue they dont like it and become like doctors who are questioned about the efficacy of any medicine. Neither like to have their opinions questioned.

Seems Dentists are just as arrogant.

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These guys probably did their research at the local McDonalds

Half of drugs prescribed in France useless or dangerous, say two specialists | World news | The Guardian

again & again stories like these surface across the world and it seems that the medical profession is less than organised. And of course

Foreign doctors who lack words for compassion | Mail Online

so that suggests the all knowing medical professionals are not exactly in touch with patients needs.

[minestrone]

No its failing to deal with public & substantiated challenge by a health professional, who was more highly qualified than most GP's, he put forward what seemed a reasonable argument against what was a cost reduction project.

The project was using a poorly tested vaccine COMBINATION. By a government that later handled things like Bird Flu vaccines so successfully (we found out that the supplier was a mate of the ministers and most vaccines were useless).

There appeared to be a credible link between evidence of infection probably caused by the vaccine and a debilitating disease that none of the highly qualified medical experts could cure or explain.

Was Dr. Andrew Wakefield Right After All? | Vactruth.com

The response to his objections was to run him out of town and remove the single injections.

Parents panicked and removed their children from the vaccination, private organisations imported incorrect single vaccines and helped the issue, I don't remember these companies later being closed for gross misconduct by BMA / NHS as they should have.

I suspect there is a link between MMR and autism just because they were so desperate to bury it, will it be the 90's Thalidomide scandal?

Will we be burning the bodies in fields as we did with the BSE farce - directly caused by the government.

My children had the MMR jab because the single jabs were made unavailable, they would have had the single jabs if I had the choice.

He was a fruit bat who bribed children to give blood samples at a birthday party and made up claims against a drug that was and has been proven to be safe based on his research done on 12 patients.

I still cannot believe that people are still arguing that MMR is not safe.

[vetran]

It is cretins like yourself that have seen measles cases spike in the last few years.

No its failing to deal with public & substantiated challenge by a health professional, who was more highly qualified than most GP's, he put forward what seemed a reasonable argument against what was a cost reduction project.

The project was using a poorly tested vaccine COMBINATION. By a government that later handled things like Bird Flu vaccines so successfully (we found out that the supplier was a mate of the ministers and most vaccines were useless).

There appeared to be a credible link between evidence of infection probably caused by the vaccine and a debilitating disease that none of the highly qualified medical experts could cure or explain.

Was Dr. Andrew Wakefield Right After All? | Vactruth.com

The response to his objections was to run him out of town and remove the single injections.

Parents panicked and removed their children from the vaccination, private organisations imported incorrect single vaccines and helped the issue, I don't remember these companies later being closed for gross misconduct by BMA / NHS as they should have.

I suspect there is a link between MMR and autism just because they were so desperate to bury it, will it be the 90's Thalidomide scandal?

Will we be burning the bodies in fields as we did with the BSE farce - directly caused by the government.

My children had the MMR jab because the single jabs were made unavailable, they would have had the single jabs if I had the choice.

[minestrone]

People self diagnosing on the web is like fat people going shopping when they are starving.

[mudskipper]

So you thought your 15 minutes of foogling trumps 5 years at medical school, 2 years in hospital wards and a further year as a trainee GP?

Tradesmen must love you -

"You need a new boiler, Mr Minestrone. And a hot water tank too"

"Sure, just let me find my check book."

[vetran]

So you thought your 15 minutes of foogling trumps 5 years at medical school, 2 years in hospital wards and a further year as a trainee GP?

No but its a great way to get the symptoms described, also a little humility is always useful when trying to identify a root cause. Its annoying when users set up solutions that fall to pieces and they ask us to fix (our expertise and decades of education are obviously waste so when we said do it this way we didn't know what we were talking about) but we JFDI and do not consider ourselves above them.

So far we have a huge organisation that cannot get to appointments all the time, cannot effectively process feeding and regular maintenance properly saying 'Its too complicated mere mortals cannot understand the process'. I hear that all the time. Guess what? most people don't understand their own process and the higher up the tree they are the more arrogant they get about it.

We have had anecdotal evidence that GP's do misdiagnose (in a very serious way) every medical expert I have had take my blood pressure has seemed to be aware of the white coat effect.

[minestrone]

Ah, so because the GP went through the standard educational path for their profession, as patients we should completely disregard all our physical symptoms once we're told things are fine. Because they're the experts, they must be right. Who are we to question that?

Sure.

It is cretins like yourself that have seen measles cases spike in the last few years.

[formant]

So you thought your 15 minutes of foogling trumps 5 years at medical school, 2 years in hospital wards and a further year as a trainee GP?

Ah, so because the GP went through the standard educational path for their profession, as patients we should completely disregard all our physical symptoms once we're told things are fine. Because they're the experts, they must be right. Who are we to question that?

Sure.