The economy is booming

[Old Hack]

Trouble is, Fiat is a political empire that's a microcosm of Italian politics, and so when they do something sensible like reviving the 500 it's probably by accident. Reason just doesn't play a part in their decision making.

This is what worries me now about the 'fook, we created something cool, lets make them all look like it' which is a mistake most make. Even Mini seem to be falling down this route now. Is it cool that the cars all look the same ostensibly? I think not. I read an article, stating, were it not for BMW now makign FWD platforms for their cars (new 1 and 2 series models), mini would probably go under as they can't afford to have to produce a different platform for them, over the BMW's; it's why VW are succeeding, as all of their models are on the same platform now, and Mercedes are following.

[Mich the Tester]

The Fulvia would save them, as much as the highlighted bit will kill them. I shudder at the thought of a Lancia Grand Cherokee

Trouble is, Fiat is a political empire that's a microcosm of Italian politics, and so when they do something sensible like reviving the 500 it's probably by accident. Reason just doesn't play a part in their decision making.

[Mich the Tester]

I had an S3 Fulvia V4 as a kid, and they were front drive, so I wouldn't object to a new one being thus. The Ypsillon is a rebadged Fiat 500, but looks fine. The Musa, iirc, is a rebadged Fiat Idea isn't it? I kind of like the idea that Lancia is like Riley was to Mini i.e. the luxury arm, but they do need to refocus. I loved the Lancias of old, even the old Betas in the 80's, and was shocked when they went down.

I agree about Lancia, just about the only car manufacturer I'd weep about if they did go down (Maybe alfa would get a few tears too).

Lady Tester's had a couple of Ypsilons; great fun little cars that were also very reliable indeed. Easy to sell too; women seem to fall in love with them as though they're posh handbags. Lancia's one of those old badges that could be a license to print money under the right management, as could some of the old British names like Morris, Humber, Hillman, Triumph and of course Daimler, which is now in the hands of Bob Tata and I don't dare to think what he's going to do with it.

[BrilloPad]

Swindon has been going downhill ever since DimPrawn moved in ...

FTFY

[Old Hack]

They've seemed determined to murder Lancia for years now; the Ypsilon's very popular in Italy and in Europe's trendier cities, but what they need to make is a new Fulvia at about the price of a Fiat Punto and it would sell like hotcakes. They showed off this almost sexually appealing thing a while ago but never seemed to get round to building it and have now started sticking Lancia badges on hideous American turds.

The Fulvia would save them, as much as the highlighted bit will kill them. I shudder at the thought of a Lancia Grand Cherokee

[Old Hack]

If I was running Lancia, I'd talk to the engineers and say 'stop producing rebadged Chryslers immediately; there will be three models from now on; the Ypsilon, the Musa (which sell well in Europe) and a new Fulvia, which must have a starting price of no more than 15 thousand euros. Fine if you have to make it front wheel drive to use an existing wheelbase and keep it cheap, the people who buy it won't care anyway; they want something that looks like they've bought it in a boutique in Milan. Once the money rolls in we can make a big coupé of our own.'

I had an S3 Fulvia V4 as a kid, and they were front drive, so I wouldn't object to a new one being thus. The Ypsillon is a rebadged Fiat 500, but looks fine. The Musa, iirc, is a rebadged Fiat Idea isn't it? I kind of like the idea that Lancia is like Riley was to Mini i.e. the luxury arm, but they do need to refocus. I loved the Lancias of old, even the old Betas in the 80's, and was shocked when they went down.

I agree about Lancia, just about the only car manufacturer I'd weep about if they did go down (Maybe alfa would get a few tears too).

[Mich the Tester]

If I was running Lancia, I'd talk to the engineers and say 'stop producing rebadged Chryslers immediately; there will be three models from now on; the Ypsilon, the Musa (which sell well in Europe) and a new Fulvia, which must have a starting price of no more than 15 thousand euros. Fine if you have to make it front wheel drive to use an existing wheelbase and keep it cheap, the people who buy it won't care anyway; they want something that looks like they've bought it in a boutique in Milan. Once the money rolls in we can make a big coupé of our own.'

[DodgyAgent]

The S2000 was their last decent car and there is no sign of a replacement.

[Mich the Tester]

Indeed, you can (last sentance).

GM are trying to produce fun cars, but naming them Adam will surely kill them.

Looking at Ford, I think they're bringing out revolutionary ideas, in the B-Max, Fiat are trying too hard to make everything 500 like, and I think will have to stop badge engineering their Chryslers. There are some interesting cars coming out soon.

They've seemed determined to murder Lancia for years now; the Ypsilon's very popular in Italy and in Europe's trendier cities, but what they need to make is a new Fulvia at about the price of a Fiat Punto and it would sell like hotcakes. They showed off this almost sexually appealing thing a while ago but never seemed to get round to building it and have now started sticking Lancia badges on hideous American turds.

[Old Hack]

Indeed, but it's not only Honda that are boring consumers to death. Some of the problems of the car industry are due to the boring eckonommick debty crisissy thingummy, but some are undoubtedly to do with the enormous supply of mindnumbingly dull and overpriced grey metal boxes that are on offer; see Peugeot, Opel-Vauxhall, Ford, Seat and others. Look at some of the more 'fun' offerings and you'll see what I mean; Fiat are struggling with most models but can't produce enough 500s to go round while Mini are looking for new factory capacity and will start up in Holland next year. Agreed, Kia and Hyundai are suddenly starting to look interesting.

Also, with the economy being bad you can now buy some very smart 2nd hand cars for the price of a new Panda.

Indeed, you can (last sentance).

GM are trying to produce fun cars, but naming them Adam will surely kill them.

Looking at Ford, I think they're bringing out revolutionary ideas, in the B-Max, Fiat are trying too hard to make everything 500 like, and I think will have to stop badge engineering their Chryslers. There are some interesting cars coming out soon.

[Mich the Tester]

In all fairness, Hinda produce gthe dullest cars known to mankind, probably only just keeping ahead of Lexus. This doesn't surprise me, as there are much better cars out there, for less money. I expect them to pick up their ideas over the next 3/4 years and start producing cars people want. The Koreans have really upped their game and Honda need to, too.

Indeed, but it's not only Honda that are boring consumers to death. Some of the problems of the car industry are due to the boring eckonommick debty crisissy thingummy, but some are undoubtedly to do with the enormous supply of mindnumbingly dull and overpriced grey metal boxes that are on offer; see Peugeot, Opel-Vauxhall, Ford, Seat and others. Look at some of the more 'fun' offerings and you'll see what I mean; Fiat are struggling with most models but can't produce enough 500s to go round while Mini are looking for new factory capacity and will start up in Holland next year. Agreed, Kia and Hyundai are suddenly starting to look interesting.

Also, with the economy being bad you can now buy some very smart 2nd hand cars for the price of a new Panda.

[doodab]

Honda need to, too.

Didn't they make a Honda Ballet at some point?

[Old Hack]

In all fairness, Hinda produce gthe dullest cars known to mankind, probably only just keeping ahead of Lexus. This doesn't surprise me, as there are much better cars out there, for less money. I expect them to pick up their ideas over the next 3/4 years and start producing cars people want. The Koreans have really upped their game and Honda need to, too.

[AtW]

Swindon has been going downhill ever since DimPrawn moved out ...

[eek]

Honda's cutting 800 jobs due to lack of demand throughout Europe.