Well said Frank Field

[xoggoth]

I am still trying to find the figures to work that out McQ. What found so far suggests it's about 150k over a lifetime, ie 3k+ pa Damn site more than immigrant average of £560 anyway.

[mcquiggd]

a) The immigrant population of Britain contributes more in tax (£31.2 billion) than it receives in benefits (£28.8 billion). (treasury figures)

b) There were 4,301,280 immigrants in the UK (2001 UK census)

I wonder if anyone has ever worked out what the relative figure (tax paid vs benefits received) is for the indigenous population... ??? If it was even close to that sort of ratio we would be bankrupt (oops, we are )

The debit side of the immigrant equation of course never accounts for increased house prices, pressure on infrastructure, schooling, health care.... when you take those into account (which for over 4 million people at a very low figure is bound to be more than several billion), they are draining the country dry like a consultancy on a health service project.

And don't forget to count in the millions sent back home each year - the Indians estimate the figures in terms of billions globally.

[Dundeegeorge]

axe murderer has the biggest share

Yeah we're both satisfied with the company. Limited company. The axe murderer has the biggest share unfortunately.

Yes I bet he does.
It's like 'where does your pet tiger sleep? Wherever the fsck he wants to!!!!''

[xoggoth]

The 'benefits' of immigration.

a) The immigrant population of Britain contributes more in tax (£31.2 billion) than it receives in benefits (£28.8 billion). (treasury figures)

b) There were 4,301,280 immigrants in the UK (2001 UK census)

Work it out for yourself. That won't come even close to paying for a migrant's own pension let alone anyone else's. And the figure includes the successful sorts who do pay lots of tax that a decent immigration policy probably should let in.

These useless migrants mostly turn into useless minorities. Check the unemployment/benefits figures for those on the net. The plain truth is that we are supplying a benefit system to the third world and wrecking our quality of life in the process.

[xoggoth]

twice

[TheMonkey]

Still, at least you can keep each other company.
So do you use a Limited company or an LLP?

Yeah we're both satisfied with the company. Limited company. The axe murderer has the biggest share unfortunately.

[Dundeegeorge]

I had no idea you were both schizophrenic

This Labour government is a hidden socialist movement.

Racists are allowed to vote. Anyone who ever acknowledges the existence of racism is an instant racist by acknowledging that racial differences exist, therefore being racist.

Shooting coons (one of my favourite hobbies) is just plain murder and not a racist offense. Same as I like the taste of slain cow over mechanically reclaimed chicken.

(please note this is intended to be a light hearted study of racism rather than an accurate portrayal of my psychiciatric conditions which include schizophrenia and the inability to spell).

Still, at least you can keep each other company.
So do you use a Limited company or an LLP?

[NoddY]

Field hinted at the erosion of culture and nationalism. I've often thought if labour flows as easily as capital then how can such things that depend on 'roots' and shared values (such as nationhood) exist? Perhaps it can be manufactured and nationalism can be rebranded American style (flag in the front garden - perhaps in 10 years time?) or maybe we are 'workers of the world' - a global pool of labour which can be exploited under capitalism or repressed under socialism.

[TheMonkey]

And actually you make a good point CJ. Racists are allowed to vote too, that's what democracy (ho fscking ho) is about.

This Labour government is a hidden socialist movement.

Racists are allowed to vote. Anyone who ever acknowledges the existence of racism is an instant racist by acknowledging that racial differences exist, therefore being racist.

Shooting coons (one of my favourite hobbies) is just plain murder and not a racist offense. Same as I like the taste of slain cow over mechanically reclaimed chicken.

(please note this is intended to be a light hearted study of racism rather than an accurate portrayal of my psychiciatric conditions which include schizophrenia and the inability to spell).

[Dundeegeorge]

Why should people be ashamed to vote BNP?

Frankly I'd be more embarrassed to admit I was stupid enough to vote Labour.

(And no, I have voted for neither)

And actually you make a good point CJ. Racists are allowed to vote too, that's what democracy (ho fscking ho) is about.

[Captain Jack]

Quite right, TheMonkey. Although Michael Portillo says there is no excuse for voting for a racist party, surely being a racist is a very good reason indeed? Or in his ivory tower, do such things not exist?

[TheMonkey]

I only vote BNP because I am a racist bastard (hmm or perhaps their manifesto believes in tackling the real problems rather than the demonstrated effort of just shoveling them under the rug)....

[sasguru]

Yes we know you are there. No need to repeat it twice.

[DimPrawn]

Well said Frank Field

Frank Field is one of the very, very few Labour MP's I've been happy to listen to in the past.

I believe he's got the pulse here. Far too many politicians are under-estimating the depth of concern the electorate have over current levels of immigration.

Michael Portillo (one half of itchy & scratchy) typified this during the most recent local elections night. Asked to comment on the surge of new BNP support he said, "There is no excuse, no excuse, for voting for a racist party".

Well. To Mr. Portillo whom I normally respect I say, "There is no excuse, no excuse, for any politician to complain the way people vote when the political status quo belittles, ignores & pays lip service to such real concerns of voters".

To those politicians who don't like people (many or most of whom are not remotely racist) voting BNP ?

Then tackle the fcuking issues forcing them into such extremeties.

Here, here.

Now how do I vote Labour?

[BobTheCrate]

Well said Frank Field

Frank Field is one of the very, very few Labour MP's I've been happy to listen to in the past.

I believe he's got the pulse here. Far too many politicians are under-estimating the depth of concern the electorate have over current levels of immigration.

Michael Portillo (one half of itchy & scratchy) typified this during the most recent local elections night. Asked to comment on the surge of new BNP support he said, "There is no excuse, no excuse, for voting for a racist party".

Well. To Mr. Portillo whom I normally respect I say, "There is no excuse, no excuse, for any politician to complain the way people vote when the political status quo belittles, ignores & pays lip service to such real concerns of voters".

To those politicians who don't like people (many or most of whom are not remotely racist) voting BNP ?

Then tackle the fcuking issues forcing them into such extremeties.