Reply to: apple dieing?

[minestrone]

When apple launched the latest iphone it was not even the best phone on the market. That is the death cross.

[SantaClaus]

So Joe public is bearish Apple and the Daily Moan are getting excited about a "death cross" with some vague explanation of what it is.

That's a screaming buy in my book.

[minestrone]

I think the Microsoft desktop, tablet, phone, xbox combination will eventually be very strong and a lot of people will want to converge to that eventually.

HTC and Nokia will do quite well in the next few years from that.

[LatteLiberal]

I think now MS have released a decent OS for mobile and tablets consumers will find it difficult to resists the ease of integration with Windows. I expect windows Phones to take over iOS in the next year or two. Apple have had their day in the sun.

[Bunk]

According to this they're making a profit but they've taken a bit of a hammering compared to a couple of years ago.

[minestrone]

That pie chart at Fortune shows HTC with a 5% share of the operating profits in whatever smartphone market those figures are derived from.

The pie chart shows 2011, the text underneath gives details of 2012.

Underneath it says HTC are losing money in 2012, that is wrong.

Do you even know how to read graphically presented data?

[NickFitz]

The claim that HTC are losing money in 2012 is BS. They have been posting profits all the way through 2012 and they do not do much else than make phones so something is not quite right.

That pie chart at Fortune shows HTC with a 5% share of the operating profits in whatever smartphone market those figures are derived from.

[minestrone]

HTC Profit Tanked in the 3rd Quarter of 2012 | WebProNews

Yes it is still making money. Just not very much.

Its is not really about HTC or the size of profit, the evidence as presented with the argument is wrong.

[Platypus]

The claim that HTC are losing money in 2012 is BS

HTC Profit Tanked in the 3rd Quarter of 2012 | WebProNews

Yes it is still making money. Just not very much.

Also this:
http://www.webpronews.com/rim-htc-lo...nalyst-2012-11

[minestrone]

I didn't; Fortune did: Pie chart of the day: Apple's share of smartphone profits - Apple 2.0 - Fortune Tech

I would think you have to find the full text for that, quite possibly that is for the American market alone.

The claim that HTC are losing money in 2012 is BS. They have been posting profits all the way through 2012 and they do not do much else than make phones so something is not quite right.

[NickFitz]

How did you work that out?

I didn't; Fortune did: Pie chart of the day: Apple's share of smartphone profits - Apple 2.0 - Fortune Tech

[churkus]

Dying....

ah ferk, thanks, always gets me, and lieing.

[minestrone]

And yet they still have over 70% of the profits in the phone market.

How did you work that out?

[NickFitz]

And yet they still have over 70% of the profits in the phone market.

If Apple shares adjust downwards to a more sensible level, it probably isn't a bad thing. But they aren't exactly about to go bust, with the stack of cash they have and ever-increasing profits ($8.2 billion on revenue of $36 billion in the last quarter, up from $6.6 billion on $28.3 billion in the same quarter last year; or $8.67/share over $7.05/share, if you prefer it that way).

EDIT: ah, just seen the OP linked to the Mail, so we don't even need to see the figures to know it's bollocks

[Sausage Surprise]

Dying....