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[TheMonkey]

Nah - it's just not a nice niche any more

[BlasterBates]

...no I think the problem is the steep downward bit at the end of the graph. The bit that means "we're not looking thank you very much".

[TheMonkey]

I've worked on some rather huge applications in C#/.Net (we're talking distributed multi-tier jobbies). The only reason anyone uses it is that it does everything reasonably well, whereas everything else does a few things generally badly.

Only problem is that getting a job is a bugger as everyone has jumped onto the .Net band wagon which means the agencies don't notice us gems who've been writing C# since beta 1 and actually know what we're on about.

I'm actually having difficulty getting a contract at the moment because of the aforementioned cowboys.

[n3il123]

Which is £350 per day IIRC

[DimPrawn]

Which is £350 per day IIRC

[AtW]

ASP.net is for web monkeys and Milans of this world, real programmers code proper backend complex libraries in C# while others turn green from envy at the kind of rates said master programmers command.

[scotspine]

I'm not slagging off .NET, just saying that from a developer's point of view it's just another coding syntax to get your head round. You just get the general idea then use a reference. Same goes for JavaScript, CSS, SQL etc etc.

In fact, everything I've read about ASP.NET stresses how much simpler it is to code with than old-style ASP because the big boys have already written all the hard stuff like validation and table layouts and you just have to call their ready-made functions. It's a bluffer's dream.

i wish but i don't think so...

[janey]

Bloodthirsty bint.

Anyone that slags .NET off will get a kicking.

OI! be nice prawny

[DimPrawn]

I'm not going to argue with you (even though you are 100% wrong), but it's clear you've never heard of asynchronous handlers, pipelines, http modules, distributed transactions, object orientation, reflection, event model and page lifecycle, dynamic controls, caching, declarative security, class attributes, compiled code and many other aspects that are totally missing from classic ASP.

ASP.NET only shares three things with old style scripty ASP. The letters A, S and P.

HTH

There is another more important difference. ASP coders earn about half of a .NETTER

[BlasterBates]

..hmm the stats show a bigger than normal spike a couple of months ago, and now it looks things are going "tits up"...

[NickIT]

Just give me servers and networks...

Do you have any stats on ITIL or Prince?

Mind you this is another bugbear - why is the concept of a 'clean development environment' so hard to grasp?

I hate going into a company and seeing that they have dev teams on the corp LAN (domain) doing their dev AND testing...

And yeah...I've been through the dev/testing on live production as well...lovely.

argh!!

[dang65]

I'm not slagging off .NET, just saying that from a developer's point of view it's just another coding syntax to get your head round. You just get the general idea then use a reference. Same goes for JavaScript, CSS, SQL etc etc.

In fact, everything I've read about ASP.NET stresses how much simpler it is to code with than old-style ASP because the big boys have already written all the hard stuff like validation and table layouts and you just have to call their ready-made functions. It's a bluffer's dream.

[DimPrawn]

Bloodthirsty bint.

Anyone that slags .NET off will get a kicking.

[janey]

If you really think ASP.NET is ASP renamed and .NET is some scripting language and that a quick flick through a book is all it takes, then you deserve to be on the bottom of the tulip pile.

fight fight fight fight

[DimPrawn]

If you really think ASP.NET is ASP renamed and .NET is some scripting language and that a quick flick through a book is all it takes, then you deserve to be on the bottom of the tulip pile.