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Originally posted by escapeUK View PostI bet Ive been involved in getting rid of people a lot more than you.
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But I imagine with escapeUK, people are glad of the chance to get away.
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Originally posted by The Spartan View PostIt's not as easy to sack people nowadays you have to follow the process of being informal first and then the formal approach.
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Originally posted by The Spartan View PostI'd hardly call it a slave wage
I've known plenty of companies to say that but they've still not been able to enforce it, are you going to sack 80% of your staff?
Otherwise, just one to send a message.
Banks often ban people bringing in their own laptops, etc, do they find 80% of people do it anyway or do they obey the rules?
Originally posted by The Spartan View PostIt's not as easy to sack people nowadays you have to follow the process of being informal first and then the formal approach.
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Originally posted by escapeUK View PostIt never works like that, like heads on poles it only takes one or two for the rest to get the message and conform. You can combine it with sacking the ones you wanted rid of too for a win win situation.
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also just because i have a browser open it does not mean i am actually using it does it - i often have a few windows minimised whilst i work on whatevcer i am working on - maybe dipping into the odd website for 5 minutes an hour to give my head some time to float.
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Originally posted by Mich the Tester View PostActually, all those things happened and we made a profit, which is at least one thing we did better than now.
Originally posted by original PM View PostIt's a very good point back in the day people were still running their social lives in work - but that was on a face to face basis with people they worked with as opposed to virtual friends on facespace or whatever it is
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Originally posted by Mich the Tester View PostSure.
Everyone worked so much harder before t'internet. Nobody read the papers or a novel at work, nobody (except my boss) kept half a bottle of whiskey in his drawer, nobody ever went for a good long dump and took the paper with him, male and female staff never met up in the copier room for a bit of extra curricular, and absolutely nobody ever dozed off at his desk. Actually, all those things happened and we made a profit, which is at least one thing we did better than now.
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Originally posted by escapeUK View PostIts a relatively recent thing you know internet on everyone's computer, 12 years ago ish it was unheard of. People got on with running the business and doing their job then, rather than their social lives.
Everyone worked so much harder before t'internet. Nobody read the papers or a novel at work, nobody (except my boss) kept half a bottle of whiskey in his drawer, nobody ever went for a good long dump and took the paper with him, male and female staff never met up in the copier room for a bit of extra curricular, and absolutely nobody ever dozed off at his desk. Actually, all those things happened and we made a profit, which is at least one thing we did better than now.
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Originally posted by escapeUK View PostIts a relatively recent thing you know internet on everyone's computer, 12 years ago ish it was unheard of. People got on with running the business and doing their job then, rather than their social lives.
problem is you cannot reaplce the people as they all have different skills
in essence people have moved away from doing huge amounts of repetitive tasks to managing computers to do huge amounts of repetitive tasks....
don't get me wrong a few motivated people with the right skills set can achieve great things -- it is just that is not how any large business works..
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Originally posted by original PM View Postpermiedom is 10% productivity and 90% bollo<k juggling - taking away the internets will just drive people crazy
Originally posted by The Spartan View PostI'd hardly call it a slave wage
I've known plenty of companies to say that but they've still not been able to enforce it, are you going to sack 80% of your staff?Last edited by escapeUK; 30 November 2012, 10:01.
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Originally posted by d000hg View PostApart from with your eyes. A company can easily say you may not use your mobile at your desk, and cannot use personal devices for internet access during working hours. True you can't rely on automated software to detect illicit usage but it's not hard to see someone using an iPad.
Anyway, back to mocking your wage slave status...
I've known plenty of companies to say that but they've still not been able to enforce it, are you going to sack 80% of your staff?
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Originally posted by escapeUK View PostBecause I resigned to become a contractor and treble my income? Maybe we know why you will always be a tester, as you arent intelligent enough to actually make anything yourself.
In a way yes, but people sat using their phones or tablets really stick out. People are employed to use their computer so it doesnt draw attention.
permiedom is 10% productivity and 90% bollo<k juggling - taking away the internets will just drive people crazy
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