Reply to: BBC News - Israel Bus explosion - Several Injured

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

Well, the surrounding nations launched an attack, and got chased way into their own countries. Israel withdrew a bit, but decided to keep some of it in order to make their borders rather more defensible should Egypt, Syria and/or Jordan try it again.

At least - that's the reason they give.

Is this some kind of allusion (rather than addressing the ideas put forward) to the BBC being biased against the Palestinians? That would be quite amusing considering the die-hard zionists tend to think it's biased towards Palestinians.

Maybe they're getting the balance right? I don't know - I watch Al-Jazeera.

die-hard zionists view Palestinians as worse than animals so of course they are going to say the BBC is being biased towards Palestinians. 1 million Palestinian lives is not equal to 1 Israeli life according to them.

[NotAllThere]

But why did they think it was ok to do that?

Take the land I mean?

I'm not being difficult, I just don't know enough about it other than seeing stuff on the news etc. Who said it was ok for Israel to be there? How did they get there?

Well, the surrounding nations launched an attack, and got chased way into their own countries. Israel withdrew a bit, but decided to keep some of it in order to make their borders rather more defensible should Egypt, Syria and/or Jordan try it again.

At least - that's the reason they give.

Nice - do you want to work for the BBC?

Is this some kind of allusion (rather than addressing the ideas put forward) to the BBC being biased against the Palestinians? That would be quite amusing considering the die-hard zionists tend to think it's biased towards Palestinians.

Maybe they're getting the balance right? I don't know - I watch Al-Jazeera.

[Troll]

Muslim Bosnias are from Bosnia, not from Russia, Germany, USA, England etc.

Turks by means of conquest during the Ottoman Empire

[TykeMerc]

Before the creation of Israel there would have never been such sentiment towards the Jews by the Palestinians....

Arguably not true, there were tensions, often extremely violent in Palestine between the long standing (centuries old) Jewish and Arabic communities. There's a depressingly long history of clannish, ethnic nastiness in the whole region including various sects of both major religions battering opposing sects of their own ethnic/religious groups.

[Old Hack]

Couldn't agree with you more there. Amazing how the oppressed can quickly learn to become the oppressors.

I find I tend to get pissed when some lunatic climbs aboard the 406 and pops a bomb off, or cracks some rockets off in the general direction of somewhere like Maple Road, Surbiton, or such like. Kind of annoys me when there's a rocket division set up in A&E and a tank in the kids schoolyard...

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

I bet they'd love a stab at performing the next one though...

Before the creation of Israel there would have never been such sentiment towards the Jews by the Palestinians....

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

So you would disagree with the creation of a Bosnia and Herzegovina state and agree that the ethnic cleansing of a muslim enclave in the Christianised Europe is acceptable

Muslim Bosnias are from Bosnia, not from Russia, Germany, USA, England etc.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

The world powers (i.e. Britain) had already decided to make a Jewish state way before Germany got all nasty. The Balfour declaration etc.

Prior to 1967 (or was it '48?) there weren't any Palestianians. There were Egyptians, Syrians and Jordanians. That's who Israel took the land off. After Egypt, Syria and Jordan launched a war to wipe Israel off the map.

Nice - do you want to work for the BBC?

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

In my view, this is half the problem - in that any criticism of Israel seems to be milimeters away from being called anti-semitism. I also dont like the confusion between religion and race, but thats for a different conversation.

I think its dissapointing that a group that has been so horrifically persecuted in RECENT history is capable of behaving exactly the same way as its old oppressors.

Walls, water control, no right to property, expanding your "Living space" into neighbouring countries etc. Doesn't the UN even recognise the land as illegally occupied?

I don't understand it at all.

Couldn't agree with you more there. Amazing how the oppressed can quickly learn to become the oppressors.

[Old Hack]

I hear Hamas have been doing summary executions of people they suspect of collusion.

I heard this too.

I wonder how they get such a ground swell of support from their kin.

Madness, I was speaking to an Arab - Israeli not long ago, and he has no complaints as to his life in Israel.

[minestrone]

I hear Hamas have been doing summary executions of people they suspect of collusion.

[Troll]

As for land grabbing, I believe the UK used to be involved in a bit of that. I think they still do in fact.

Gawd bless America

[Troll]

But why did they think it was ok to do that?

Take the land I mean?

I'm not being difficult, I just don't know enough about it other than seeing stuff on the news etc. Who said it was ok for Israel to be there? How did they get there?

Ottomans, Balfour mainly, League of Nations, UN

[TykeMerc]

But why did they think it was ok to do that?

Take the land I mean?

I'm not being difficult, I just don't know enough about it other than seeing stuff on the news etc. Who said it was ok for Israel to be there? How did they get there?

It was an area under British control (like most of the Eastern Med and North Africa region post WW1 when the Ottoman Turks were chucked out), the Brits then set up a variety of arguably semi artificial countries and installed regimes.
The area that was Palestine (fairly ancient zone) had some resident Jewish locals and arab communities of various types (including nomadic folks). Post WW2 a lot of the homeless Jewish peoples decided that since they'd been kicked to bits all over Europe for centuries and obviously rather badly pushed about in the previous 10 years they wanted back in their ancestral homes and performed a lot of illegal immigration and refugee invasion.
It all got very, very messy with guerilla actions, terrorism, some nasty military stuff from the Brits and various arab groups attempting a mass genocide (look up the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem).
The post WW2 history of the region is very complicated and not at all pretty for most parties involved.

[Old Hack]

The world powers (i.e. Britain) had already decided to make a Jewish state way before Germany got all nasty. The Balfour declaration etc.

Prior to 1967 (or was it '48?) there weren't any Palestianians. There were Egyptians, Syrians and Jordanians. That's who Israel took the land off. After Egypt, Syria and Jordan launched a war to wipe Israel off the map.

This is something people miss; there is, or was, no such kin as Palestinians; it's an area, a region. 2000 years ago it was controlled by jews, Alexander the Great had a crack at it, as did the Greeks, the Romans, the egyptians, etc, etc.

The area was even under the control of the Ottoman empire. After WWI things were being mooted for the area.

As for land grabbing, I believe the UK used to be involved in a bit of that. I think they still do in fact.