Another Police Murder

[SimonMac]

He may have been off his face, we will find out, but the cops were in his house. They should have just walked away, maybe done him for wasting police time for calling 999. Killing him was somewhat of an over-reaction.

do you agree?

The police have a duty of care to all people in the house not just the victim, what would happen if the police walked away and he ended up killing his dad?

I am not saying the police are innocent, I am just saying wait for all the facts to come out and then judge rather than just declaring the police murders, or do you just assume that all coppers are bent?

[Platypus]

But IF he was off his face on a mixture of drink and drugs, and IF he was threatening cops with a hammer and IF he was resisting arrest then the use for force is justified

do you disagree ?

He may have been off his face, we will find out, but the cops were in his house. They should have just walked away, maybe done him for wasting police time for calling 999. Killing him was somewhat of an over-reaction.

do you agree?

[SimonMac]

You miss the point

If he was pepper sprayed in the cell and IF 4 coppers chased him down the street and IF they battered him with truncheons and IF they all stamped on him
then it's another police murder.

do you disagree ?

But IF he was off his face on a mixture of drink and drugs, and IF he was threatening cops with a hammer and IF he was resisting arrest then the use for force is justified

do you disagree ?

[MyUserName]

Isn't 'Excited Delerium' the phrase that police use for someone who is so off their tits they cannot feel pain and are actively hostile with large increases in strength and speed?

If so then someone in that state can really only be stopped by causing actual damage to them so they can no longer function properly (eg break their leg) but also it is not uncommon for someone to come out of this state and die due to massive strain it places on the heart.

I do agree that stamping on his head is it a little harsh.

[EternalOptimist]

And Im appauled that you are acting as judge, jury and executioner in a case where not all the facts are yet know unless you know something more than is being reported, trial my media it seems

You miss the point

If he was pepper sprayed in the cell and IF 4 coppers chased him down the street and IF they battered him with truncheons and IF they all stamped on him
then it's another police murder.

do you disagree ?

[SimonMac]

Aren't the police supposed to protect the vulnerable, not stamp on them.

EDIT: I'm appalled that you appear to be making an excuse for this.

And Im appauled that you are acting as judge, jury and executioner in a case where not all the facts are yet know unless you know something more than is being reported, trial my media it seems

[original PM]

In the photo you can quite clearly see he is wearing a 'hoodie' so he must be guilty of something

[Platypus]

And the excess of cocaine and alcohol had nothing to do with it?

Aren't the police supposed to protect the vulnerable, not stamp on them.

EDIT: I'm appalled that you appear to be making an excuse for this.

[northernladuk]

Details of what he died of are here...

'Excited delirium' finding in custody death angers parents | UK news | The Guardian

[doomage]

And the excess of cocaine and alcohol had nothing to do with it?

Maybe he needed more cocaine and alcohol, so as to become invincible, like aussiepong.

[SimonMac]

It's an inquest so they're not looking for who to blame, but the cause and circumstances of the death.

I guess the poor guy had a heart attack, and that being pepper sprayed, chased down the street, knocked to the ground with batons then stood on by 4 officers didn't contribute in any way.

And the excess of cocaine and alcohol had nothing to do with it?

[Platypus]

It's an inquest so they're not looking for who to blame, but the cause and circumstances of the death.

I guess the poor guy had a heart attack, and that being pepper sprayed, chased down the street, knocked to the ground with batons then stood on by 4 officers didn't contribute in any way.

[SimonMac]

Its strange as at no point anyone said what the cause of death was, no autopsy report or anything?

Shirley that has to be known before blame can be apportioned.

[Platypus]

Police cell footage of pepper-sprayed man shown to inquest jury | UK news | The Guardian

I'd like to say unbelievable, but of course, it's not.