Reply to: newsnight right now attacking "self employed"

[Doggy Styles]

Was that under Grocer Heath? Seem to recall The Daily Mail supporting Labour in that election. Heath was the worst PM ever.

1974. Yes, Heath was in charge of a poor government.

Their big thing was getting us into the Common Market. In those days I think the Tories were in favour of that and Labour weren't, which might explain the juxtaposition of BBC and ITV, I don't know.

Oh, and the three-day week.

[xoggoth]

Was that under Grocer Heath? Seem to recall The Daily Mail supporting Labour in that election. Heath was the worst PM ever.

[DodgyAgent]

I remember an election night in the 70s where the Beeb was very pro-Tory and ITV was equally pro-Labour.

Edit: it might have been the late 60s

[Sysman]

But has the BBC always been left-wing? When I was a student years ago I used to just accept what they said as gospel truth and the work of "responsible" adults.

I remember an election night in the 70s where the Beeb was very pro-Tory and ITV was equally pro-Labour.

Edit: it might have been the late 60s

[DodgyAgent]

I think you are right.
But has the BBC always been left-wing? When I was a student years ago I used to just accept what they said as gospel truth and the work of "responsible" adults.

They used to be very much part of the establishment. Now they are populated by "right on" (priviliged) liberals who seem to think it is cool to be left wing. it is a guilt thing which is what poor Steve Coogan suffers from.

[KentPhilip]

they most certainly do - they undermine it. what I find fascinating is how so many people who benefit from the capitalist system who love to criticise it but offer no alternative.

I think you are right.
But has the BBC always been left-wing? When I was a student years ago I used to just accept what they said as gospel truth and the work of "responsible" adults.

[MayContainNuts]

They were Coogan's comments not mine, hence the linkys.

He slags off the Murdochs until he need a home for his new TV series.

Still smarting over this guy!!! Horrible horrible man!!!

[DodgyAgent]

Nothing is impartial of course.

But the BBC is clearly right of centre on economic / political terms. Weave deem through this massive crisis if capitalism but they never question the capitalist orthodox position.


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they most certainly do - they undermine it. what I find fascinating is how so many people who benefit from the capitalist system who love to criticise it but offer no alternative.

[speling bee]

It always amazes me that people think the BBC is in anyway impartial, they are very lefty biased and have considered it for a long time to be the state indoctrination channels. Sky may have a bias too, but perhaps because it is not so different from my own personal bias I rarely noticed it, though now days I have found that news on TV tells me too much about things I want to know nothing about.

Nothing is impartial of course.

But the BBC is clearly right of centre on economic / political terms. Weave deem through this massive crisis if capitalism but they never question the capitalist orthodox position.

They do have a very liberal bias in social issues and also a metropolitan bias.

I notice the political bias but not really the social one as it is close to my own.

[Mich the Tester]

I employ them

Yes, you owe me money and my mate Giovanni and the boys from Palermo will be visiting you this weekend.

[Taita]

doing a report on "self employed" cleaners in London who aren't self employed because they have to sign in and out, don't use own tools, have no control of hours

there's a bandwagon building methinks

Is this exposure being led by Jeremy Paxman of Inside Track Productions LLP?

[escapeUK]

far too subtle a distinction, most of the public can only cope with 'God = Good, Satan=Bad' level of arguments.

I prefer god = good, devil = evil as it shows exactly where the words come from.

[PorkPie]

far too subtle a distinction, most of the public can only cope with 'God = Good, Satan=Bad' level of arguments.

To quote Bill Hicks, Hell has all the good music

[xoggoth]

for all the derision about public sector workers, the vast majority are decent hard-working people trapped in a useless system

Don't disagree but it does not alter the fact that too many receive salaries, pension and job security paid for by equally hard working people in the private sector who don't get these things themselves.

[DodgyAgent]

They were Coogan's comments not mine, hence the linkys.

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Sorry they did not seem like your words