Reply to: France shootings

[OwlHoot]

doesn't make sense.

Mossad would of shot him and the cyclist, the wife if she was involved but they aren't stupid enough to involve kids. ...

Whatever, but if the safety or even survival of your nation is at stake (including the lives of hundreds of thousands of kids) I don't think that would be an obstacle in the circs.

In any case, it was the father who involved his kids by taking them to a pickup point, no doubt to make his trips look like an innocent family outing. Also, as I've pointed out, the kids weren't killed were they, although admittedly they didn't escape unscathed. I think one now has brain damage.

[vetran]

doesn't make sense.

Mossad would of shot him and the cyclist, the wife if she was involved but they aren't stupid enough to involve kids.

There would be him, the contact and clearly readable cleaned but incriminating info plus a smoking gun with suitable fingerprints.

[OwlHoot]

Just had the latest gen on this via my sister, who knows people who know people (who apparently can't keep their cake holes shut when they should ).

The "solitary cyclist" was apparently not an innocent passer by at all but worked in the nuclear industry, and it appears he was leaving info at dead drops for the other guy who was shot. The other guy in turn was an intermediary for the Iranians, and was handing this material over to them.

Apparently the detailed search of his house was to search for technical papers, which were believed to be there; but whether or not any were found I don't know. The dispute with his brother over their father's will is simply a red herring.

She doesn't know who killed them; but I imagine Mossad would be the best bet.

[IR35FanClub]

As I understand it 25 rounds were fired, not 15.

Bang goes my theory. Someone said 15 earlier. Well there's 25 rounds in an M16, I had a go on one those as well . Not as much recoil as I'd expected. But they use 5.56mm ammo and they are a bit harder to conceal if your out an about on a pushbike pretending to be a tourist.

To be honest - why don't they use 3 shots per person, if you really want to make sure someone is dead two doesn't seem enough?

[Doggy Styles]

15 rounds got me thinking... I had a go with a Beretta in Las Vegas. 15 rounds in a clip. Maybe he was an incompetent assasin. Thought he was going to kill 1 or 2 people, ended up neeed to kill 6 and ran out of ammo. Didn't have a spare clip. Duh! The old hollywood trick - points gun, pulls trigger, click. Beats girl and thinks nah this is too messy, and runs off.

As I understand it 25 rounds were fired, not 15.

[EternalOptimist]

maybe there was a contract out on the schoolgirl, to get her shot in the shoulder, for telling tales about facebook pals.

and the adults got in the way

[doodab]

Perhaps he arranged the meet and took his family niaively thinking it would be safer, and the killer wasn't expecting them to be there. Nothing ever goes according to plan.

24 rounds is a lot though, they were clearly well prepared.

[MyUserName]

Perhaps the assailant beat the girl to try and get information out of the father, like bank account numbers.

Yeah, possibly.

Could the girl have been shot with a stray bullet not intended for her while in the car, and got out?

But she was also beaten?

If they were really trained well, they'd have hit them in the head once, from a distance of 50m.

Unlikey, unless they had a rifle of some kind and it sounds more like a pistol or SMG job.

Double tapping to the head is a standard procedure of the SAS etc. One bullet wound would smack more of an amatuer than two.
Although it does seem like something went severely wrong with whatever was meant to happen.

[IR35FanClub]

15 rounds got me thinking... I had a go with a Beretta in Las Vegas. 15 rounds in a clip. Maybe he was an incompetent assasin. Thought he was going to kill 1 or 2 people, ended up neeed to kill 6 and ran out of ammo. Didn't have a spare clip. Duh! The old hollywood trick - points gun, pulls trigger, click. Beats girl and thinks nah this is too messy, and runs off.

Professional hit, doesn't mean professionally trained, just they've been paid for doing a job, whether it's done well or not. Surely as a contractor you know that!? If the employer provided the gun he'll have to declare himself inside IR35.

I can hit someone in the head twice at close range. In fact I manged to empty a full clip into an upside down paper Osama Bin Laden's face at 10m, back in 2003. and I'd never used a gun before. If they were really trained well, they'd have hit them in the head once, from a distance of 50m.

[Doggy Styles]

Could the girl have been shot with a stray bullet not intended for her while in the car, and got out?

[OwlHoot]

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A professional was hired to kill them all:

Why shoot the girl in the shoulder and not the head as well?
Why beat her first, surely if she had run for it he would have had to run after her to catch her, why not just shoot her as she ran? ..

Perhaps the assailant beat the girl to try and get information out of the father, like bank account numbers.

Or maybe their instructions were to kidnap the kids, again to pressure the father, but everything went Pete Tong for one reason or another (distraction caused by the sudden appearance of the cyclist possibly?) and once the father had been shot there was no further point in worrying about the kids or indeed the mission.

Only guessing mind ...

[MyUserName]

I still cannot figure this out:

A professional was hired to kill the family and not the kids:

Why shoot the girl in the shoulder (potentially life threatening).
If he intended to not kill the kids they he would have had his face covered and an escape planned.

A professional was hired to kill them all:

Why shoot the girl in the shoulder and not the head as well?
Why beat her first, surely if she had run for it he would have had to run after her to catch her, why not just shoot her as she ran?

A professional was hired to kill the cyclist and killed the family because they were unlucky:
Same questions as previous.

The family were doing some kind of illegal deal with the cyclist and someone dangerous found out and sent a hitman ie they were ALL targets:

Same as above but also, why did the family bring their children to an illegal activity like that.

A lunatic set upon them with a gun:

Possibly but unlikely given the precision of the double tapping.

[OwlHoot]

FWIW, if I had to guess I'd say he was involved in some money laundering for senior Iraqi politician or general etc (hence maybe his being near Swizerland), but let them down or was skimming too much off the top.

The indisciminate killings combined with their thoroughness (apart from the kids) suggests a warning to others was a big incentive, and that this was some home-grown Iraqi tulip.

But let's not forget the two kids survived (so far), despite being shot. So, although presumably the message was that the whole family was supposed to die, maybe the shooter deliberately (?) botched the kids' shooting to at least give them a chance, while at the same time nominally carrying out orders.

[IR35FanClub]

The killer realised he had to get out as there would probably be more cyclists on the way, .

I guess he was wearing a yellow cycling shirt then as frequented by many cyclics over the ears.

[Ketchup]

Edit - I take it back Ketchup - that was IR35fanclub

haha...i got really confused then