Reply to: ohh look they have done a version of Windows Server for children.

[Incognito]

But if you are virtualising lots of servers running W8 on one physical PC, i.e. trying to slice your host as many ways as possible, you surely MIGHT find the extra overhead of a Windows desktop is an issue - when you're running a data centre reducing your number of servers by 2% is significant... most places charge more for Windows hosting and I think that's not only due to licensing?

In addition, W8 probably requires a half-decent GPU and many servers probably don't have that.

When you deploy Win 7 in a VDI, first thing you do is optimise the image, that means switching off Aero because it's just window dressing hogging your bandwidth. Win 8 will have something similar. RemoteFX may be shining and dancing, but at the end of the day if you're sat on a crappy link, you don't care about bells and whistles.

And this is digressing, VDI is not what EscapeUK is postulating about, his weak understanding is on the benefit of server core. You are on the right line of thinking though about how small optimisations scale to large cost savings.

[Incognito]

As to gobbling up. I have run servers for all my working career, if you think a modern server which can virtualise lots of servers is somehow going to struggle showing a desktop then you obviously dont know what you are talking about. But then that was clear from the rest of your post.

And when you've scaled that out to 3 to 4 thousand virtual machines running away on your high end tin, then you go right ahead and buy new blades instead of optimising your existing set up. You quite clearly know nothing about the bigger picture. A data centre has finite limits of power and cooling. It's going to cost you top dollar when you hit that ceiling. But hey ho lad, you keep using that redundant desktop because you're too thick to understand remote management.

If you read the thread, you'd know I was talking about server core. Your info seems to be out of date too, the actual release of Windows 8 Microsoft have prevented disabling of Metro and removed the start button which your link shows screen shots of it still being there. This said, there is an add on package built by a 3rd party that adds their own start button. Do you use Windows 8? I do.

Seeing how official release date for Win 8 Enterprise is set for October sometime, then I doubt the GPO adm files are complete as of yet. I guarantee you, Enterprise will have a 'classic' desktop policy. Win7 had it as did Vista as did XP.

[d000hg]

But if you are virtualising lots of servers running W8 on one physical PC, i.e. trying to slice your host as many ways as possible, you surely MIGHT find the extra overhead of a Windows desktop is an issue - when you're running a data centre reducing your number of servers by 2% is significant... most places charge more for Windows hosting and I think that's not only due to licensing?

In addition, W8 probably requires a half-decent GPU and many servers probably don't have that.

[escapeUK]

You can turn Metro off

How To Quickly & Easily Disable The Metro User Interface In Windows 8



You do know that Metro is still a GUI, yeah? Unless you're talking about Server Core then you don't really understand
Enterprise scaling do you if you're happy for all that precious compute being gobbled up by 'the desktop'.

If you read the thread, you'd know I was talking about server core. Your info seems to be out of date too, the actual release of Windows 8 Microsoft have prevented disabling of Metro and removed the start button which your link shows screen shots of it still being there. This said, there is an add on package built by a 3rd party that adds their own start button. Do you use Windows 8? I do.

As to gobbling up. I have run servers for all my working career, if you think a modern server which can virtualise lots of servers is somehow going to struggle showing a desktop then you obviously dont know what you are talking about. But then that was clear from the rest of your post.

[Incognito]

No one will use that. Seriously, this isnt linux no one wants to type a command to add a user to active directory, or use a little text based QB style program. Novell anyone?

You can turn Metro off

How To Quickly & Easily Disable The Metro User Interface In Windows 8

Now we have very amazingly powered multi core processors, so what do they do? Remove the GUI.

You do know that Metro is still a GUI, yeah? Unless you're talking about Server Core then you don't really understand
Enterprise scaling do you if you're happy for all that precious compute being gobbled up by 'the desktop'.

[d000hg]

No one will use that. Seriously, this isnt linux no one wants to type a command to add a user to active directory, or use a little text based QB style program. Novell anyone?

Microsoft are seriously dumb, we go all these years with a GUI where processors were (compared to now) underpowered. I think the first server I put in was a 350 Mhz Gateway machine.

Now we have very amazingly powered multi core processors, so what do they do? Remove the GUI.

You can have the GUI if you want it. Maybe they are trying to entice linux people, I hear Powershell is a pretty credible tool.

[SimonMac]

[escapeUK]

Microsoft is pushing the idea of installing the Server Core edition – which has no Graphical User Interface

No one will use that. Seriously, this isnt linux no one wants to type a command to add a user to active directory, or use a little text based QB style program. Novell anyone?

Microsoft are seriously dumb, we go all these years with a GUI where processors were (compared to now) underpowered. I think the first server I put in was a 350 Mhz Gateway machine.

Now we have very amazingly powered multi core processors, so what do they do? Remove the GUI.

[stek]

from

Windows Server 2012: Smarter, stronger, frustrating ? The Register

Last time I saw the Core version it did have a GUI, albeit a blank desktop with a DOS Prompt window in the middle. Still a GUI....

[Gentile]

The BIG ICON style appears to be designed for tablet devices. Not sure how that will play when some bright spark techy says they want it to run on their shiny new iPad that they got for Christmas.

[Spacecadet]

My years of running the latest Windows Server just so I was familiar with it seem to be behind me.

Im surprised if what you say is true, given that Windows 8 gives you no choice and had indeed removed the start button completely.

A quick search on google got me this:-



and

How to navigate Start in Windows Server 2012 | TechRepublic

Microsoft is pushing the idea of installing the Server Core edition – which has no Graphical User Interface

from

Windows Server 2012: Smarter, stronger, frustrating ? The Register

[SimonMac]

I wonder how the touchy feely aspect will work via RDP or HP OpenView?!

Who has moved this to Business ? Its even more irrelevant in here.

[escapeUK]

The GUI in 2012 is optional so I guess you must have ticked the "i'm an idiot" box when installing

My years of running the latest Windows Server just so I was familiar with it seem to be behind me.

Im surprised if what you say is true, given that Windows 8 gives you no choice and had indeed removed the start button completely.

A quick search on google got me this:-

Logging into the Server 2012 desktop, you're dropped straight into the new Server Manager we saw in the beta release. This is a Metro look-and-feel application that's the hub of running a Windows Server 2012 installation.

and

How to navigate Start in Windows Server 2012 | TechRepublic

By now, everyone knows that Windows 8 sports a radical new interface, which, up until recently, Microsoft referred to as the “Metro” interface. Although the company has pulled back on using that name for the new interface, you won’t escape it so easily, even if you use Windows Server 2012. Windows Server 2012, like its desktop cousin, carries with it the Metro Start screen and, like it or not, administrators will need to learn the basics behind navigating and managing this new method of interaction with a Windows server.

[d000hg]

And it boots into classic desktop by default.

[Spacecadet]

Its called Windows 2012

The GUI in 2012 is optional so I guess you must have ticked the "i'm an idiot" box when installing