Reply to: and the eu is paying for this

[The Spartan]

Will the septics let us?

Just asking, like.

It'd solve two big problems lol

[darmstadt]

In Germany you get 90% of your last salary in Unemployment Benefits. Not too sure how long it goes on for, but I know it's over 12 months.

Here you go (Frau D. along with 25,000 others just got made unemployed due to the company going bankrupt due to the incompetence of the owners and management so I have some interest

Reception of full unemployment benefit (renamed Arbeitslosengeld I), is restricted to 12 months in general.
Whether or not a claimant is eligible for Arbeitslosengeld II depends on his or her savings, life insurance and the income of spouse or partner. If these assets are below a threshold level, a claimant can get money from the state. The current (July 2008) threshold level is €150 for free assets (at least €3,100) and €250 for fixed retirement assets, both calculated per capita and lifetime year. Additionally, every employable individual in a communal household (persons living in and depending on the resources of the claimant), can have one car worth about €7,500 and a self-used house of 130 square meters living space (more if there are other people in the common household).
To receive payments, a claimant must agree to a contract subject to public law. This contract outlines what they are obliged to do to improve their job situation, and when the state is obliged to help. An unemployed person may be required to accept any kind of legal job. This compulsion is restricted by constitutional rights, like freedom of movement, freedom of family, marriage and 'human dignity'. If taking on a specific placement is deemed reasonable by the responsible agency, not applying will result in a reduction or even complete suspension of the appropriate payment.
The state pays for Arbeitslosengeld II, a pension scheme, and health insurance for the unemployed. It is possible to earn income from a job and receive Arbeitslosengeld II benefits at the same time. Job income is debited from Arbeitslosengeld II payments according to a formula that leaves a certain amount of the additional revenue untouched. These revenues are: a certain amount of savings (which increases with age); €100 plus 20 percent of the wage up to €800 plus 10 % of the wage up to €1200 (up to €1500 if there are children). Through this mechanism Arbeitslosengeld II can be regarded as a sort of minimum wage floor for employees without assets, where the minimum wage is not fully paid by the employer but assured by the state. There are criticisms that this defies competition and leads to a downward spiral in wages and the loss of fulltime jobs.

[petergriffin]

Here's a scenario for you that could quite easily happen here in Britain. Unemployment keeps rising, benefits are slashed; people get hungry and start fighting for food (which gets more expensive due to a poor veg and fruit harvest). A leader emerges, probably with that wonderful combination of 'British national pride' and fascism. Leader gets power in an emergency election (or worse, the army take over). Leader then picks the old fights with other countries to restore 'national pride'. Invades the Falklands. [...] Europe and NATO are split down the middle, America has to fight countless wars it can't afford, the world's economy is dealt the final blow.

Libor-fixed it for you.

[swamp]

Falklands are self sufficient due to fishing, and soon to be oil.

Hilariously the country with the highest GDP per capita in Latin america is..... Britain

Little is spent defending Gibraltar.

Gibraltar is a natural fortress. No chance of the Spanish taking the rock. Anyway they already tried once and failed.

[Robinho]

Falklands are self sufficient due to fishing, and soon to be oil.

Hilariously the country with the highest GDP per capita in Latin america is..... Britain

Little is spent defending Gibraltar.

[KentPhilip]

Why? Neither (Falklands and Gibraltar) belong to Spain and nor do their populations want them to.

I see your point about letting Spain and the eurozone sort out their own problems, of their own making, but I don't see the point of this statement.

Point of the statement is that the UK shouldn't spend vast amounts of money on the military to defend them.
Maybe wait until after the europeans have exhausted themselves in war amongst themselves, and then go back in and retake them when the opposition will be too weak to fight back.

[Doggy Styles]

Apparently the benefit is capped at 1100 Euros a month. Which is probably comparable to housing allowance here.

So when you throw that into the mix it isn't too ridiculous.

Ah.

[Robinho]

Apparently the benefit is capped at 1100 Euros a month. Which is probably comparable to housing allowance here.

So when you throw that into the mix it isn't too ridiculous.

[Robinho]

We could just nuke spain and argentina.

[Doggy Styles]

Let Spain have Gibraltar and the Falkland islands.

Why? Neither belong to Spain and nor do their populations want them to.

I see your point about letting Spain and the eurozone sort out their own problems, of their own making, but I don't see the point of this statement.

[sasguru]

In Germany you get 90% of your last salary in Unemployment Benefits. Not too sure how long it goes on for, but I know it's over 12 months.

not after the hartz reforms you don't.

[KentPhilip]

Here's a scenario for you that could quite easily happen in Spain. Unemployment keeps rising, benefits are slashed; people get hungry and start fighting for food (which gets more expensive due to a poor veg and fruit harvest). A leader emerges, probably with that wonderful combination of 'national pride' and socialism. Leader gets power in an emergency election (or worse, the army take over). Leader then picks the old fights with other countries to restore 'national pride'. Invades Gib. Takes side of Argentina over Falklands issue. Europe and NATO are split down the middle, Britain has to fight two wars it can't afford, Europe's economy is dealt the final blow.

What wars, and why?
Let Spain have Gibraltar and the Falkland islands. If European countries want to fight each other let them get on with it. If those same countries want to try to invade the UK, threaten to nuke them.

Offering to support failing european countries does not resolve the underlying causes of their failings, and it only puts off any adverse consequences of their problems - it is the economic equivalent of Neville Chamberlains's "I have in my hand a piece of paper" type of approach.

We didn't cause the euro fiasco, and we should have no role in preventing any consequences of it.

[SueEllen]

If this is true then why is the Spanish economy in depression? Surely the citizens still have loads of money to spend.

You are making the presumption that these people were in highly paying jobs in the first place.

One of my mates, whose parents lived in Spain and actually mixed with the locals, use to point out before the crash that the average Spanish person never have any money.

Also with their high youth unemployment it's likely the father of the family has to take care of his adult children who live at home as well as possibly an elderly parent.

[BrilloPad]

in spain

Jobless benefits will be cut to 50pc of a person's salary after six months. Currently, jobseekers are paid 70pc of the wages they earned in the last six months of employment, and 60pc after six months.


its sounds as though the benefit is only being cut by 10 % after 6 months oh the hardship

If this is true then why is the Spanish economy in depression? Surely the citizens still have loads of money to spend.

[Doggy Styles]

I like the idea of giving all people the same benefit whether working or not. That way everybody can increase their income by working, and there's no issue with the unemployed picking up the occasional day's casual work or taking on low paid jobs and losing their benefits, which surely has to be better than just being idle.

You have a lot of faith in human nature!