All depends on what you class as a "senior professional"?
I would class Tech Architect, Solutions Architect, Release Manager, Lead Designers all as senior professionals but not Managers, its a vague definition. There will always be a need for people to actually do the work, they will just be called middle managers in any other organisation.
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Originally posted by doodab View PostBut if we import indians to do the managing won't that balance out. They can sit in the corner and manage each other and the contractors can get on with the work.
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Originally posted by doodab View PostThe trouble is heirarchy. The craftsperson is seen as the bottom rung, not something to aspire too, and that affords a lack of respect and income, unless one goes a contracting.
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The trouble is heirarchy. The craftsperson is seen as the bottom rung, not something to aspire too, and that affords a lack of respect and income, unless one goes a contracting.
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Originally posted by doodab View PostGiven that the manager / wannabee manager / techie ratio on my current project is approx 8:4:2 this does not bode well.
Let's get this absolutely clear; THERE IS NO SHORTAGE OF PEOPLE TRAINED TO BE MANAGERS. THERE IS A SHORTAGE OF PEOPLE WITH GOOD TECHNICAL SKILLS, AND AN EVEN GREATER SHORTAGE OF PEOPLE WITH GOOD TECHNICAL SKILLS WHO CAN 'MANAGE' OR LEAD.Last edited by Mich the Tester; 6 July 2012, 08:35.
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Originally posted by darrenb View PostThis has been the hope and strategy of the UK (as well as the US) for the past 30 years I guess: to turn into a country of managers. Who's left to manage? Well, developing nations. But why are they called developing? Because they're developing their own economies, including their own waffling managers and entrepreneurs to usurp the BS. What is left then for the West? It will be a case of:
Too many chiefs and not enough Indians.
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I love the smell of vacancies in the morning, ...................
Smelled like … ICTs.
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This has been the hope and strategy of the UK (as well as the US) for the past 30 years I guess: to turn into a country of managers. Who's left to manage? Well, developing nations. But why are they called developing? Because they're developing their own economies, including their own waffling managers and entrepreneurs to usurp the BS. What is left then for the West? It will be a case of:
Too many chiefs and not enough Indians.
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Originally posted by Old Hack View PostI know what you mean, I have worked under Technical Managers who had no idea of what she was doing. Made me laugh, at one stage arguing with the Spatial DBA's that GIS meant Graphical Information Systems, and not Geographical...
Sheesh, some managers must have slept their way into lots of positions, I know this one did...
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I know what you mean, I have worked under Technical Managers who had no idea of what she was doing. Made me laugh, at one stage arguing with the Spatial DBA's that GIS meant Graphical Information Systems, and not Geographical...
Sheesh, some managers must have slept their way into lots of positions, I know this one did...
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Originally posted by doodab View PostAh sorry, twas on the front page of CUK.
UK IT needs 129,000 newbies a year until 2020 :: Contractor UK
I find it hard to believe the UK needs an additional 99,160 IT managers a year for 8 years (that's more than 3/4 of a million) and the idea that 86,430 of them per year will be seems frankly dangerous.
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Originally posted by Gentile View PostYou're gonna have to give us some context here, doodab. If this is an article from the BBC it's going to be a different set of responses you'll get to if it's just some graffiti you've copied off of the ClientCo's toilet wall, old chap.
UK IT needs 129,000 newbies a year until 2020 :: Contractor UK
I find it hard to believe the UK needs an additional 99,160 IT managers a year for 8 years (that's more than 3/4 of a million) and the idea that 86,430 of them per year will bepeople moving into the IT/Telecoms space from an unrelated occupation, or from education, or from some other type of “inactive” status (such as a carer).
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Just have to build up to senior professional then. 20 odd years should do it, in your mid forties.
Laughing. Or be niche.
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You're gonna have to give us some context here, doodab. If this is an article from the BBC it's going to be a different set of responses you'll get to if it's just some graffiti you've copied off of the ClientCo's toilet wall, old chap.
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More specifically, 67% of the available IT jobs will be for managerial/senior professionals, including software experts but mainly ICT managers and IT strategists/planners; 17% will be for technicians (operations, support), 8% will be for skilled tradesmen (telecoms/computer engineers). The remaining 8% of IT jobs will be for administrative techies, such as database assistants.Tags: None
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