Reply to: England v Italy on Sunday

[FiveTimes]

Not as disgraceful as the Lampard goal which was about 6 yards over the line and that was a World Cup not a Euro

and not offside

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

I would go for that - any way we win would be fine. Except maybe something like the Ukrainian goal that was not allowed - that was disgraceful.

Not as disgraceful as the Lampard goal which was about 6 yards over the line and that was a World Cup not a Euro

[BrilloPad]

Quite. This team reminds me of those old-fashioned Italian and German teams of the 80s/90s that just ground out the results even when they played crap.

I would go for that - any way we win would be fine. Except maybe something like the Ukrainian goal that was not allowed - that was disgraceful.

[oscarose]

I also think it is funny who Hodgeson tried to cover up the fact it was a choice between Terry and Ferdinand - Why else would he take Kelly along with him instead of Ferdinand? The aim is surely to get as far in the competition as possible and he was talking about "blooding the youngster" what a load of Bollocks

politics

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

I also think it is funny how Hodgeson tried to cover up the fact it was a choice between Terry and Ferdinand - Why else would he take Kelly along with him instead of Ferdinand? The aim is surely to get as far in the competition as possible and he was talking about "blooding the youngster" what a load of Bollocks

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

Firstly you are pre-judging the issue. You know no more than I do.

Secondly, is this or is this not a tight-knit and harmonious England squad, with both Terry and several black players in it?

Why else would they postpone the trial until after the Euros? The whole thing smells a bit fishy to me.

[Doggy Styles]

I'm undecided, I've seen no conclusive evidence either way.

I do think he's a bit of a twat though.

I couldn't disagree there!

I assume that's why Hodgson has told him to keep quiet and away from the press.

[d000hg]

1)He's not disliked by the nation, he remains popular with the masses
2)Using a racist term once in the heat of the moment doesn't make you "a blatant racist"

HTH

[doodab]

You honestly think that scum didn't racially abuse Anton?

I'm undecided, I've seen no conclusive evidence either way, but he seems to get on perfectly well playing alongside black people and they don't seem to mind him either.

I do think he's a bit of a twat though.

[Doggy Styles]

You honestly think that scum didn't racially abuse Anton?

Firstly you are pre-judging the issue. You know no more than I do.

Secondly, is this or is this not a tight-knit and harmonious England squad, with both Terry and several black players in it?

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

You just don't like him, which clouds your football judgement. Many do the same.

Tell us why he is a blatant racist.

You honestly think that scum didn't racially abuse Anton?

[Doggy Styles]

I did say he was a better footballer - either way they are of a similar level, one could argue either way who is better.

Terry Cons:
- Got sent off in semi-final of CL with Chelsea for utter stupidity
- Really slow
- Hated by the country and probably a lot of the players
- Blatant Racist

Terry Pros:
- Good defensively and as a leader on the pitch

Compare that with Ferdinand?

You just don't like him, which clouds your football judgement. Many do the same.

Tell us why he is a blatant racist.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

I'd guess Terry gets in because the manager Hodgson rates him higher than Ferdinand, as did Capello before him.

Managers rely on their players and have to make cool judgements, unlike us fans who can say what we like this side of the white line.

This isn't a morals contest, this is professional football.

I did say he was a better footballer - either way they are of a similar level, one could argue either way who is better.

Terry Cons:
- Got sent off in semi-final of CL with Chelsea for utter stupidity
- Really slow
- Hated by the country and probably a lot of the players
- Blatant Racist

Terry Pros:
- Good defensively and as a leader on the pitch

Compare that with Ferdinand?

[d000hg]

Can't stand Terry. Still don't understand why he gets in ahead of Ferdinand. Ferdinand should be at the Euros instead of Terry on a morals basis alone.

I don't particularly like him but he has shown many times an absolutely fearless attitude to getting in the way of the ball and making important clearances, and he's also scored a fair few goals.

[d000hg]

Could go either way. In spite of what the Spanish coach said, I wouldn't want to play England - you don't know what you're going to get

I think it's probably about 50:50... ENG are not great but winning the group and not losing a game must inspire extra confidence.