Reply to: Tories on 29 percent

[petergriffin]

Why bother with elections? Can't we just outsource the govt to a call centre in India?

[vetran]

one assumes it was originally posted in 2010 an updated in 2012?

[TimberWolf]

How come that article is dated 22 May 2012, and the graph shows 2011 values, but all the user comments are dated 2010 ?!

Incidently, many of the comments are pretty cogent and interesting, more so than those of the Telegraph's coterie of loonies who reply to every online article.

Including this guy who says these graphs are fairer?

[OwlHoot]

This looks pretty conclusive

Deficit, national debt and government borrowing - how has it changed since 1946? | News | guardian.co.uk

In the red doesn't just describe the parties colour.

How come that article is dated 22 May 2012, and the graph shows 2011 values, but all the user comments are dated 2010 ?!

Incidently, many of the comments are pretty cogent and interesting, more so than those of the Telegraph's coterie of loonies who reply to every online article.

[DodgyAgent]

The country is toast, its only a matter of time before it burns. Cant wait.

The country needs to weed out and shoot every socialist.

[escapeUK]

However, the current government is obviously starting to reduce costs, hence the unrest among some public service workers and moaning from the opposition.

The country is toast, its only a matter of time before it burns. Cant wait.

[vetran]

This looks pretty conclusive

Deficit, national debt and government borrowing - how has it changed since 1946? | News | guardian.co.uk

In the red doesn't just describe the parties colour.

[AtW]

Outside of the UK, it's economic plan is seen as a failure, too much cutting has caused growth to stall.

What cutting?

Their biggest achievement is probably changing from one way of calculating inflation to another (more favourable for Govt as it would mean less indexing of pensions for public sector).

They also keep interest rates on bonds low thanks to money printing - this helps them reduce future payments on debt which as the result means they will need to borrow less to repay previous lenders in this ponzi scheme.

[AtW]

Hmm. One lot spends and spends and creates a massive deficit, the other lot's policy is to cut that back to create a smaller deficit.

Yes it's their public policy meanwhile they continue to borrow almost nearly as much as the other!

[Doggy Styles]

So both their policies are to overspend on stuff we dont need? Just one by a bit less, which is alleged, im actually not seeing or hearing of any of these alleged cuts, austerity my ass. Austerity is when you cant afford to eat, its not when you cancel the Sky movie subscription while running 3 cars.

Whats their policy on Europe. Same.
Immigration. Same.
Intrusive state. Same.
Foreign aid. Same.

Government spending in billions:-

2004-05 492.4

2005-06 524.0

2006-07 549.8

2007-08 583.1

2008-09 629.8

2009-10 670.1

2010-11 687.9

2011-12 687.6

2012-13 683.4

2013-14 720

2014-15 733.5

2015-16 744

2016-17 756.3


Point out to me which is the austerity years. Every year it was as much or more than the previous one.

From 2005-2010 spending increased at 30 to 40 billion per year. From 2010 to date it averages about 5 billion. Two different governments, two different sets of numbers.

Remember this is absolute terms, spend will nearly always go up anyway due to real inflation and the numbers take no account of growth covering increases. What matters is the difference between spend and income - the deficit.

Austerity hasn't hit the UK yet, and may never do in the strictest sense of the word. However, the current government is obviously starting to reduce costs, hence the unrest among some public service workers and moaning from the opposition.

[escapeUK]

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[russell]

Outside of the UK, it's economic plan is seen as a failure, too much cutting has caused growth to stall.

[escapeUK]

Hmm. One lot spends and spends and creates a massive deficit, the other lot's policy is to cut that back to create a smaller deficit.

Not quite the same policies, I'd say the opposite actually.

So both their policies are to overspend on stuff we dont need? Just one by a bit less, which is alleged, im actually not seeing or hearing of any of these alleged cuts, austerity my ass. Austerity is when you cant afford to eat, its not when you cancel the Sky movie subscription while running 3 cars.

Whats their policy on Europe. Same.
Immigration. Same.
Intrusive state. Same.
Foreign aid. Same.

Government spending in billions:-

2004-05 492.4

2005-06 524.0

2006-07 549.8

2007-08 583.1

2008-09 629.8

2009-10 670.1

2010-11 687.9

2011-12 687.6

2012-13 683.4

2013-14 720

2014-15 733.5

2015-16 744

2016-17 756.3


Point out to me which is the austerity years. Every year it was as much or more than the previous one.

[Old Hack]

I believe the tories can't change the cuts, as they want to have paid off as much as they can by the end of the 4th year, meaning they can offer the moon on a stick for the 5th year in tax cuts, etc. It is, for me, the only way they can get elected.

People are that stupid, they'd quickly forget 4 lean years with a nice profitable one. Memory seems problematic to the average person on the street, why, otherwise, would labour be so popular? They're the ones that shagged us.

If the cuts stop, Cons don't have a get out in the final 2 budgets. I fully believe this, and expect it, and am basing my financial planning around it.

[BrilloPad]

This poll is no way accurate. The Tories have got way less than 29%.

Of course they could stop the U-turns and go for growth.