Reply to: Govt radical plan to boost jobs and employment

[vetran]

It's reasonable to follow a limited process to avoid the snap decisions I used to see when I was young.

The problem is if the employee can sling enough mud they can win an industrial tribunal. So most employers just pay.

[The Spartan]

Apparently here in Switzerland it's very easy to let people go and it supposedly makes for a more competitive workforce, I'm not sure what the law entails exactly but I shall see if I can find out. In the case of the UK I've seen a lot of companies that have a lot dead wood working for them so I think it'd be a good thing in some sense to make it easier.

[SupremeSpod]

It is quite ridiculous that one should not be able to sack an employee without having to go through the most ridiculous process of warnings and evidence gathering. Often it ends up with having to make the employee redundant which means making the job redundant. If someone is not doing their job then get rid of them. Apart from anything else this ridiculous "employee sided" employment protection makes staff complacent which is not healthy for anyone.

**** yeah!

Rule by intimidation, the bastards should be lucky they've got jobs!

[DodgyAgent]

Having no empathy or social conscience should be a bit of a worry though.

Who's empathy? who's social conscience?

[DodgyAgent]

sacking staff

It is quite ridiculous that one should not be able to sack an employee without having to go through the most ridiculous process of warnings and evidence gathering. Often it ends up with having to make the employee redundant which means making the job redundant. If someone is not doing their job then get rid of them. Apart from anything else this ridiculous "employee sided" employment protection makes staff complacent which is not healthy for anyone.

[KentPhilip]

The chance of earning that kind of money is very very limited. most deep work is now done using extremely versatile ROV's

I have retired from commercial diving now (age) but still SCUBA dive when on Holiday.
I did my PADI courses before my Commercial (Up to Divemaster) but went into commercial because of my marine background (marine engineer at the time). Now as part of my job I actually assist in the safe design of subsea and offshore structure by designing out the necessity for use of divers in installation and reducing the need for Underwater maintenanence and inspection by divers. This also makes the Installation, O&M and decommissioning of these structures safer and more cost effective.

That's what I kind of suspected.

One of the other (IT) contractors at my place was telling me last week that saturation divers used to make £1000\day ..in the 1970's!
Mind you they had a very high mortality rate back then.

Tell me, what's the deepest you've ever dived? (no smutty jokes please )

[Diver]

So you are a real diver?

Is it still the case that you can earn £1000\day as a saturation deep water commercial diver? I've just started learning SCUBA (PADI open water), and can of course do more training. Plan B for anyone?

The chance of earning that kind of money is very very limited. most deep work is now done using extremely versatile ROV's

I have retired from commercial diving now (age) but still SCUBA dive when on Holiday.
I did my PADI courses before my Commercial (Up to Divemaster) but went into commercial because of my marine background (marine engineer at the time). Now as part of my job I actually assist in the safe design of subsea and offshore structure by designing out the necessity for use of divers in installation and reducing the need for Underwater maintenanence and inspection by divers. This also makes the Installation, O&M and decommissioning of these structures safer and more cost effective.

[KentPhilip]

I'm a consultant in Offshore Renewable energy projects Wind, Wave & Tidal Energy Converters);
Maritime Engineer
Marine Civil Engineer
Commercial Diver
Heavy Lifting & Logistics
Project Management
CDMc
HS&E Offshore
Lloyds & ABS Maritime U/W Inspector

I also do a bit of (Run) project data management for HSF and O&M

So you are a real diver?

Is it still the case that you can earn £1000\day as a saturation deep water commercial diver? I've just started learning SCUBA (PADI open water), and can of course do more training. Plan B for anyone?

[Scoobos]

yup, ties in quite nicely with the ICT promises and the move to tulipstick all us ltd company owners too.

[swamp]

The easier it is to sack permanent staff the weaker the case for hiring contractors.

[Diver]

What do you do? And how much is highly expensive? I want a piece of this action.

I'm a consultant in Offshore Renewable energy projects Wind, Wave & Tidal Energy Converters);
Maritime Engineer
Marine Civil Engineer
Commercial Diver
Heavy Lifting & Logistics
Project Management
CDMc
HS&E Offshore
Lloyds & ABS Maritime U/W Inspector

I also do a bit of (Run) project data management for HSF and O&M

[Boycie]

I too do the equivalent of 2 peoples jobs!

I am however, very very expensive.

+ I don't care if I get laid off, because I could step into another job tomorrow paying even more money.

One of the benefits of working in a field where there is little competition because I am experienced (30 years) and multi-skilled and every one of my skills is in demand in a new industry where headhunting is rife worldwide and there is No competition from/by outsourcing to emerging countries.

This should hold true for at least the next 10 years, and I will be retired by then

Makes me a smug little Sh!te doesn't it

Actually I really enjoy my work too

What do you do? And how much is highly expensive? I want a piece of this action.

[Diver]

Excellent. More companies will set up over here rather than in Europe where staff are unsackable.

and it will give some incentive to the workerss over here to get some work done instead of dossing about all day (and posting on cuk)

[BrilloPad]

Excellent. More companies will set up over here rather than in Europe where staff are unsackable.

[Diver]

There is a little tulip that works for my current client that has this exact approach. His wages are low and he works the equivalent of 2 peoples jobs and thinks that because he has done it for the last 16 years (makes him a mug in my book) he will always have a job in the client. I pointed out that it was not expensive people that got sacked in the last round of redundancies but mostly the older guys. This doesn't seem to compute in his head so I guess he will have to work for feck all for another 10 years to find out that his company don't like old people regardless of pay.

I too do the equivalent of 2 peoples jobs!

I am however, very very expensive.

+ I don't care if I get laid off, because I could step into another job tomorrow paying even more money.

One of the benefits of working in a field where there is little competition because I am experienced (30 years) and multi-skilled and every one of my skills is in demand in a new industry where headhunting is rife worldwide and there is No competition from/by outsourcing to emerging countries.

This should hold true for at least the next 10 years, and I will be retired by then

Makes me a smug little Sh!te doesn't it

Actually I really enjoy my work too