Reply to: Why I'm glad I look like Hitler

[SupremeSpod]

Damn forum National Socialists. Or Social Nationalists or some such.

Yeah! Splitter!!!

[doomage]

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Damn forum National Socialists. Or Social Nationalists or some such.

[MarillionFan]

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Wow.

[EternalOptimist]

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yep

[d000hg]

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[Doggy Styles]

The far right believe that all their problems are caused by other people.
The far left believe that all their problems should be fixed by other people.

The media should be portraying Breivik for what he is, a total loser, who deep down knows he is a loser, and who murdered innocent children because basically he is a c***. The politics is a facade, it always is.

Trouble is, opinions catch on, especially if you try and portray them as 'wrong'.

[doomage]

The far right believe that all their problems are caused by other people.
The far left believe that all their problems should be fixed by other people.

The media should be portraying Breivik for what he is, a total loser, who deep down knows he is a loser, and who murdered innocent children because basically he is a c***. The politics is a facade, it always is.

[Zoiderman]

IMO soon it will become more a Euro/non-Euro voting split.

Even the Germans, who've discovered a new way to invade Europe, are starting to get fed up of paying for the euro repair job; everyone gets insular in a recession.

[BrilloPad]

Far right will continue to do well, while Europe is in recession. When money, jobs, food, etc reduce, borders shrink, metaphorically. Its why the fierce left, and far right in France did well on anti Euro and Immigration tickets.

I think if you had a snap election in all Euro countries now, the far right would do very well. It's just how its always been.

IMO soon it will become more a Euro/non-Euro voting split.

[Zoiderman]

Far right will continue to do well, while Europe is in recession. When money, jobs, food, etc reduce, borders shrink, metaphorically. Its why the fierce left, and far right in France did well on anti Euro and Immigration tickets.

I think if you had a snap election in all Euro countries now, the far right would do very well. It's just how its always been.

[EternalOptimist]

If USSR attacked first it would have lost same assets as when Axis attacked first, possibly less HOWEVER the real difference would have been that USSR would not get help from USA - that played critical role in defense of USSR even though it is dismissed by the Soviets.

Not true.
The soviet army had defensive power in 1941, even though it got battered, but it's offensive power was almost nil.
think about the winter war against Finland a couple of years earlier.
It's a lot harder to attack than to defend.

Think about a hedgehog that can curl up to protect itself against a pack of dogs, but could never attack a dog itself.
Thanks to Stalin, the USSR was a basket case.

On the other hand, Stalin was smart enough to step back and let the military and the technocrats take over, which led to the Soviet resurgance and fight back. unlike Adolph, who proceeded to screw the axis war machine

The Soviets were able to attack in winter 41, due to the Siberian reinforcements, then at Stalingrad almost a year later, due to the very stretched Rumanian slovak and Italian line, then a year later because of the massed tank armies that they had built up

apart from that, there wasnt much attack in the Soviet army

[AtW]

...and no mention of our help of Arctic convoys...ungrateful commie barsteward,

Those were very helpful but they were extension of Land Lease help that I mentioned indirectly

What really won WW2 was British stubborness in Churchil who despite Dunkirk refused to make deal and kept fighting ... that and 20 mln+ losses in USSR fighting Axis with all that was available. However in my view (after many years of research which yields different conclusions that I was tought in Soviet school) if Britain made deal with Hitler then USSR would have lost. Knowing what we know about Hitler now the whole world would have lost also.

[Troll]

If USSR attacked first it would have lost same assets as when Axis attacked first, possibly less HOWEVER the real difference would have been that USSR would not get help from USA - that played critical role in defense of USSR even though it is dismissed by the Soviets.

...and no mention of our help of Arctic convoys...ungrateful commie barsteward,

[AtW]

The soviet front line, even in its defensive positions was destroyed.

If USSR attacked first it would have lost same assets as when Axis attacked first, possibly less HOWEVER the real difference would have been that USSR would not get help from USA - that played critical role in defense of USSR even though it is dismissed by the Soviets.

[EternalOptimist]

who would have won?

The axis , by a mile.

The soviet front line, even in its defensive positions was destroyed.

The army that held the germans at Moscow did not exist at Barbarossa. it was new. and the armies that threw the germans back, was mostly from the far east, siberian winterised divisions.

the soviets suffered from a couple of severe problems
pre war purges
need to relocate industry to the east
poor quality infantry